Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

[MD007]

I think this is disgusting.  I dont feel I got value for money when it was $85 now how do you justify $125?

Its extortionate. 

[denbesten]

@AndreC wrote:

... an increase of ~47% doesn't seem to be justifiable. A smaller adjust could be tolerated,

Would you prefer to have been paying $85 in 2005, plus a 3% annual increase (e.g. $87 in 2006, $90 in 2007, etc)? That too would have put you at approx $125 this year.

[denbesten]

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@Caute_cautim wrote:

One of the best skills I ever did, when I started my working career was to enroll in a typing course. 

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I did the same in high school.  Without question, the investment has paid itself back many-times-over in reduced data entry time and by enabling me to focus on the "words" and "concepts" instead of the "letters" and "keystrokes".

[rslade]

> @Caute_cautim wrote: One of the best skills I ever did, when I started
> my working career was to enroll in a typing course.

> denbesten (Advocate I) posted a new reply in Member Support on 02-27-2019 05:40

>  I did the same in high
> school.  Without question, the investment has paid itself back many-times-over
> in reduced data entry time and by enabling me to focus on the "words" and
> "concepts" instead of the "letters" and "keystrokes".

I took typing in high school, mostly because nothing else fit in my sched. As far as I recall, it was the only course I ever failed. I got up over 30 wpm just before the Christmas break, but never got back to that level after. I think 30 wpm was the passing grade.

Later I married Gloria, who's speed amazed everyone she worked with: she's well over 100 wpm on any test, and people frequently came from other parts of the floor when she was taking a test, just drawn by the sound. One test she took got botched: they weren't ready for her. She was the only person they'd ever had who needed a second sheet of paper.

I have no idea what speed I currently have. It's more than it would be if I was doing hunt and peck, so it's probably saved me time, since I write pretty much constantly these days.

[Duke2000]

Thank you for the response.

Given that ISC2 is an international organization,I will like to ask: In determining this new fee increase, how have you factored in your members living in poor and economically-disadvantaged countries in Africa, Latin America, Asia, Oceania etc, who have been struggling to pay the old fees? 

[natters]

very good point, obviously ISC2 don't care about that.

[natters]

Why is this not showing on my feed as a "hot topic"?

[mike71498]

I think it sucks!! What additional services are we getting the warrants raising the membership fee by 50%!!! Outrageous Mike

[rslade]

> natters (Newcomer I) posted a new reply in Member Support on 02-28-2019 05:32 AM

> Why is this not showing on my feed as a "hot topic"?

A very good question.

At the moment, the default listing for "Hot Topics" is "Top Kudoed." This
algorithm is simply based on the total number of kudoes given to the first post in
the "topic." As such, it is pretty useless in regard to how "hot" the topic is in
terms of total discussion. For example, the current "top of the charts" is "Show
the Love in February," which, because it recommends people kudo things, got 25
kudoes for the opening post. It has 17 comments (being a blog post it gets
"Comments," rather than replies) and the grand total for kudoes is 97. This topic
has 156 replies (now 157) and 67 kudoes on the first page *alone.* (I didn't go
through all 16 pages to get a grand total.) By any measure this is hotter than
"Show the Love," but, as you note, it doesn't show on the first group of hot topics.

If you look to the top right of the "Hot Topics" chart you will note "Top
Kudoed." This is actually a selection box, and you can select "Top Kudoed,"
"Solved" (that's a question for another day, but it's pretty useless and is a holdover
from the fact that this whole site is based on an old tech support utility), and
"Recent Activity." "Recent Activity" is actually fairly useful, and there has been
a suggestion to the Powers-That-Be that is should be made the default, rather than
"Top Kudoed." (Naturally, given that this is a useful suggestion, it has been
ignored.)

An alternative suggestion is that "Top Kudoed" be modified to calculate the total
kudoes for an entire topic or disucssion, but that would be useful too, so I suspect it
will be ignored as well.

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[WhatEver]

And, as I've stated before: CISSP is NOT an US-only certification (even though most members live there, and isc2 is an US-registered organization, admittedly).

All those perks & packages are mostly worthless for people living in other countries.

So, why should those people cross-finance something that's unrelated to upholding the certification.

I'd still prefer a bare-stripped minimal fee to maintain the society, and to support the development of a certification, that is taken serious by the industry.

[denbesten]

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@WhatEver wrote:

All those perks & packages are mostly worthless for people living in other countries.

The Perks are not that great for those of us in the US either.  I can often do just as good with my company's "perks" program, with my auto-club program, or even simple google searches.  There are companies (1, 2, 3) that offer tickets and discounts to companies, often at no charge.  This is not a likely place to find big AMF savings. 

It does appear that the bulk of the expenses goes towards payroll, rent, business expenses, exam fees, course-ware, etc.  My suspicion is that a "cruft-free AMF" would be maybe 1% to 2% less expensive than the regular one.  

Incidentally, the (ISC)² annual report is available online and includes the consolidated financial report.  Also interesting is their IRS 990 (tax-exepmpt return) filing.