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Newcomer II

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

Honestly, you feel like some 47% increase is a harsh thing to do. While admiting later that you are a US DoD cooperating pro, who might likely get the cost covered up somehow. Now imagine, the price is levelling for all certificates. I am a beginner, entering the InfoSecurity field while finishing my law degree here in Europe. The $65 for SSCP were quite fine to me, seeing those as something I'd be able to pay even if I were to lose my job somehow. Now it has DOUBLED.

Meanwhile, neither the Building Cyber Culture, nor the DevSecOps courses I tried so far has given me anything of value. I at least hoped to see some insight into practical side of GDPR, but after starting and dropping the other two courses due to their rather limited values, I am worried about it.

I also tired the BrightTalk webinars. Out of several, about half were product promos. And sadly, none was advertised as such. Sufficient to say, I was already very dissatisfied with my (ISC)^2 membership and those news steer me even further away from prolonging my status after those three years.
EDIT: Ok, started the GDPR course. Chapter 1 is basicaly "here's excerpts from webinars from back when no-one had a clue, and an interview with guy who managed to convice his supervisors to implement new policies". Not really useful, if you ask me.

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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

> MD007 (Newcomer I) posted a new reply in Member Support on 01-25-2019 11:31 AM

> Can I have some eggs with all that waffle Samantha?

Given the burn, does that make it a burned waffle?


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How do you feel about that?

So, as to the "How do you feel about that?" part of this topic ...

> MD007 (Newcomer I) posted a new reply in Member Support on 01-25-2019 03:20 PM

> CISSP is still a very very difficult test

I've noted elsewhere that I have known about the CISSP since before it even was
the CISSP. I loved the idea then, and I loved the test when (much, much later) I
took it. Yes, I know that sounds weird, but I came from an education background,
I had taken special training in tests and measurement, and I knew how difficult it
was to create a test instrument as good as the CISSP: what an extraordinary
achievement it was. I was proud to facilitate the review seminars for many years
(and it was a *lot* of fun, and very educational--for me).

I was proud of ISC2 in the old days, when it was a volunteer organization and
many of us chipped in to help in a variety of ways.

Over the years I remained proud of the CISSP, but I got less proud of ISC2. And
less. And less.

> The CISSP is critical for a security job these days, both the
> letters on your resume and the knowledge gained from studying for it. Sadly,
> ISC2 know this, which is why they can charge anything they want.

I don't know if this is the final straw, or not. It's been years since I got anything
out of paying my AMFs. I never really did get anything out of ISC2, aside from
the chance to do the seminars (and the pretty low stipend we got for doing them).
But even the new, higher rates wouldn't break the bank--if I thought there was any
point in continuing.

> Its amusement
> park tactics. I HAVE to keep my CISSP, so I HAVE to pay whatever they want. I
> cant NOT renew. Its a disgusting way to treat members who are basically
> hostages to their greed. That Sarah Sanders-like like justification just makes
> me cringe reading it

I *don't* have to keep the cert: aside from doing the seminars, I never did. My
books were published on the basis of my net presence, and my contracting, as
weird as it was, was on the basis of me being the only person the companies could
find that could fix their problems. The CISSP never came into it.

And, yes, the tone-deaf "justifications" (not to mention promotions and sales
pitches) we get from ISC2 HQ are, increasingly, embarrassing to be associated with.

Even if I just stop paying AMFs, I'll probably still hang around here, until
someone from HQ kills my account. (Given that they even let bots in here, I'm
not sure how they'd justifiy that.) I'll still be over on the CISSPforum, of course.
I'll still be going to Vancouver Security SIG meetings (although I doubt I'll care if
people lose interest in maintaining the "ISC2 Chapter" association). So I very
much doubt that I'd miss being an ISC2 member.

I'll grieve the loss of the old ISC2. But it seems I'll have to grieve that, regardless
of whether I stay or not ...

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Re: How do you feel about that?

Personally i’m OK with it, Here’s why.


I sat sat the CISSP and certified after I started working for my current employer(they paid for it), let it lapse again and then resat it at my own cost(I paid that), I also self funded my CCSP and recently a CSSLP course and exam (shout out to Alan and the APAC CSSLP unreasonable hours posse)...  I’ve claimed AMFs once, and will probably do it again(especially this round as it’s a lot up front). Long term, it saves me money on multiple certs. 85 bucks was much more to me when I first certified than 135 is now.


I don’t think it’s about greed, or that ISC2 is greedy (I’m pretty sure David Shearer and the board don’t gather every morning on their personal ISC2 issue Learjet’s for a subsidised breakfast of Chateabriand while teleconferenced in over fat pipe paid for by the membership while laughing at our gullibility). Bluntly, I think there’s a few unfair characterterizations here,  there is a cost for innovation, and keeping stuff going. 


Contrasting this IAAP has a membership fee of 100 USD certified or not and they do not do background/experience validation. Most members or their employers can probably afford it, and ISC2 does need to keep the lights on and do some innovation. I’d go with the Babbage approach on postage and just say it’s probbaly cheaper to flat fee it than to break it all out, and it hasn’t gone up since the dinosaurs, if we went by RPI in The uk your 85 usd would be 165 as of 2018.


Some thoughts possible on tweaks:


1. Offer low cost AMFs on the honour system for folk who are not currently working, perhaps have a sampling audit to verify this trust. If countries have low wages then this could be extended to folk that were working, as Long as they met an income threshold;

2. Yearly upfront payment would probably be worth considering;

3. Perhaps have a mentorship/ sponsorship program that help security professionals in developing countries get some assistance with fees.