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Viewer II

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

 I cannot make sense on how they think they can double their annual membership fees and think this will not affect their current memberships and new ones. How they justify this when you compare them to COMPTIA membership fees.

Community Champion

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

So I have read all the comments here and on the CISSPforum.  

 

From an organizational point of view, I do understand the increase and the change in when you pay.  I am NOT going to go into the benefits that I get from the organization.  I think that has been hashed out sufficiently.

 

First, changing the fees to be paid in the current year as a number of people have historically been confused on when their AMFs are due.  In my day to day life, I pay things like AAA or COSTCO memberships in advance, I typically only pay the items that I use (Gas, Hydro, etc) in arrears.  Keep in mind, if someone chooses not to pay their fees, they have been able to use the designation for a year without paying.  Paying in advance, says, I am interested, and I am legally using the designation.  Other organizations require me to pay my AMFs ahead of time, so why shouldn't (ISC)2.  

 

As to the increase, while I am personally going to have an issue paying the increase, I will.  Yes it seems like a large increase, but I remember that my fees have not increased in about ten years.  What has happened, in those years?  HMMMMM...first the membership has grown to be 150,000 and we all want the same support levels as we had when we had 25,000.  What does this mean to the AMFs?  so the increase in members means an increase in the resources (People and Technology) needed to support them.  Both of these cost money.  

 

The increase is only an increase if you only have one certification but if you are like me it is a good thing.  I currently carry five certifications from (ISC)2, which currently cost me $320 a year.....so going down to $125 is amazing.  So before anyone jumps on me and says, "it's their way of making CISSPs pay double or forcing us to get other certification".  I don't believe that is the case but then I am NOT a board member NOR am I privy to the strategy behind this but I would have to say their was a strong business case for doing this......oh by the way, CISSPs, fees for you are going from $85 a year to $125.....imagine how the SSCP feels, they only pay $65 a year........

 

Folks will say but look at the 990s, the organization has money in the bank.  So here I say, yep that's true, however the organization has in its employ a hundred or so people (I don't know the exact count) but the original plan for holding about twelve months surplus in the banks was 1) to try to ensure the certifications would last and 2) that the employees could be protected in the short term.  Imagine, that you are an employee of the organization and there is a downturn and you are suddenly going without pay.....oh wait that just happened with the Federal government in the US.

 

So again, I am not a Board Member, but I do value my certifications as I am able to stand up and say, I may not be an expert but I do have knowledge and here is my proof.  

 

Regards

 

Diana

 

 

 

Newcomer II

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?


...imagine how the SSCP feels, they only pay $65 a year........

 


Let me respond and relay what I wrote on LinkedIn today under an article about this:

"...one thing that you and many other people discussing the AMF change, proponets and criticisers alike, seem to forget, is that after May 2019, the AMFs for all certs are levelled. I am at an entry-level state in cybersecurity, I basically work for a company where I am helping build up their security infrastructure from scratch after facing a few incidents. While formaly a CISO, I am just a guy who has a penchant for InfoSec and needed to prove to my employer that even without sufficient years served, I still can become a member of trusted organisation and know my way around. SSCP was THE certification to go for that case. While still being difficult enough to be meritable, the one-year worth of practice requirement in the CBK areas, combined with the CBK overlaping with system administration and practical hands-on security ment that I could have became endorsed just fine. The humble fee of $65 was great for me in this regard, because while being sort of 'token fee', it reflected the fact that the credential itself is not as rigorous, nor is it as demanding as CISSP and felt well in line with 'yes, I am still a beginner, not a InfoSec matador, please don't yell at me' kind of message. Also, to be fair, it more or less were the kind of 'I can pay this anytime' fee that I didn't feel like having to prepare for in advance. Now, with the new AMF structure, not only has my fee doubled, while keeping the same 'entry-level' feel about the certification, it has also become TMF (three-year maintenance fee) as oposed to AMF, meaning that I will have to try to use the window given as of now to prepare for the cost of another maintenance cycle. This also means that the total cost of SSCP certification in my country has doubled, as I paid the equivalent of 375$ + VAT to take it and now anyone who takes the exam will have to pay this immediately and once again once they pass for the maintenance fee. While I certainly can understand how the AMFs from 2001 are no longer enough twenty years after, I think a simple increase in AMFs would be way more understandable than this whole system rework that basically discourages people from entering the field unless they already have someone to back them up financialy…"

So there you have it. One example of how SSCPs feel. Especialy since I don't hold my SSCP for one year and it - obviously - is my first ISC cert. And while I might be alone in this - mind you, there's not many SSCP holders when compared to higher tier certifications - I doubt that it will differ much for others. Basically, this step is considered worrysome by some people, because it indirectly changes the perception of our certification. Chances are that since every designation now has the same AMF, there will be more "Associate of ISC" level members, as the benefits of SSCP will become even lower than before for new people in the field.

Community Champion

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

I am in Singapore this week, so not a great of time to respond.  However, from my perspective this is perfectly fair, some will benefit especially, if they have multiple certificates, which is all good.     However, some will feel it is not fair, if their renewal comes up before or after the period - I presume there will be a cross over period, which we have to grin and bear it in some cases.

 

There is good value, but not comparing against vendor certifications, which are ongoing and ongoing ad infinitely as things change rapidly at the pace of light.

 

I was just echoing some of the comments, on justification from a democratic perspective.

 

Yes, I can see the costs are rising, hence the drive for automation and removal of repetitive manual functions, which is inevitable etc.

 

ISC(2) does provide good value, and I will continue to contribute as best I can to the best of my abilities and developing skills going forward.  

 

Regards

 

Caute_cautim

 

Newcomer I

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

I agree with you.

It's turning out to be all for the money and I feel it will cause the CIISP and the other programs to loose credebility.

$85 was already high compared to any of the existing benefits.

Note I have been memeber since 2003.

Newcomer I

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

I pay 429 every four years for my SANS Certs, and those feel like the only real competition.  So yeah, not surprised they're now about the same.

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Contributor I

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

I'm Curious.

 

I have the option to renew the remaining years of my CISSP at the curent cost of $85, So I can take advantage of that and save some money.

 

If I were to earn a second certification before the deadline comes for the $125 "flat rate" would I be expected to pay my AMF at the current cost, say for a CAP or CCSP?

 

If that's the case it would mean shelling out twice, would it not?

 

Forgive me if this has been addressed, I'm currently catching up on the situation.

Contributor I

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

For the first part of the question me too curious to know. Technically it should not allow to pay for year 2020 and 2021 as per new policy, however website giving options. could be unnoticed bug in site.

 

For the second part of the question...

 

When you obtain more than one certification, the AMF will always be due on the cycle start date of the original certification. So if you have the CISSP and the cycle is February 1st through January 31st of each year, and then you obtain the CCSP in August, giving you a cycle start date of September 1st, the AMF will be due on whatever the cycle start date is of the first certification.  In this example, since the CCSP was obtained halfway through the year, the first AMF payment will not technically be due until 2020 when you go to pay the AMF for the CISSP. 

 

If you obtain the CCSP in the month of Jan, giving cycle start date of Feb 1st, then the AMF should be paid as per old policy i.e USD 85. Because, new policy of paying $125.00 each year for ALL certifications will come to force from July 1st. 

 

 

 

Mouli, CISSP
Newcomer II

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

iluomI think you have it.

Community Champion

Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?


@HTCPCP-TEA wrote:

 

I have the option to renew the remaining years of my CISSP at the curent cost of $85, So I can take advantage of that and save some money.


 

The email notification from (ISC)2 about the AMF and policy change included this section:

 

Starting January 23, 2019, members have until June 30, 2019 to pay any outstanding AMFs and the option to pay ahead for the remainder of their three-year membership cycle at the current rate for their certification(s). For example, members with a CISSP who pay an outstanding AMF for last year also can pay their 2019 AMF at the rate of U.S. $85, if they pay by June 30, 2019. Members who are due for renewal (members in the final year of their three-year membership cycles) between January 23, 2019 and June 30, 2019 must pay any outstanding AMFs and their 2019 AMF at the current rate before June 30.

 

I suppose that means that if you earned your certification last year, you can avail of the earlier AMF rate to pay for the remainder of the cycle years, if you pay before June 30, 2019. 

 

@amandavanceISC2, could you clarify this?

 

 

Shannon D'Cruz,
CISM, CISSP

www.linkedin.com/in/shannondcruz