CISSPforum replacement

[rslade]

The long running CISSPforum mailing list on Yahoo Groups is being closed by ISC2, effective June 15, 2018.  An alternate mailing list, run by volunteer CISSPs, has been created on groups.io.  In order to join, you must both:
1)  Send a message to cisspforum+subscribe@groups.io from the email address you would like to use on the mailing list or apply at https://groups.io/g/cisspforum

AND (you must do both: this isn't an option)

2)  Send a message to cisspforum+owner@groups.io from the same email address you would like to use on the mailing list and include, in the body, your last name (as known to ISC2) (your first name is optional) and your certification number.

The moderators use the site

https://www.isc2.org/MemberVerification to verify your certification.  Due to various cultural naming factors, you may wish to verify yourself, and what name(s) you are known by to ISC2, and then send the URL in the form (for example)

https://webportal.isc2.org/custom/CertificationVerificationResults.aspx?FN=&LN=slade&CN=23670 in order to ensure that it is correct and verified.  (Please do not send in Rob Slade's verification and expect to be verified yourself.)  (Yeah, really.)  [Of course, that link no longer works due to the fact that a) it is based on the old verification site, and b) Rob Slade's certificate has been suspended.]

(I notice that a discussion of this issue has been started on the "community" under the title "Why cancel the active cisspforum Yahoo Group that has existed for years?"  ...)

(And for those saying this is GDPR's fault, let me note that, since you can access all of these "community" postings from Google, it is far less secure and confidential than was the Yahoo forum ...)

[Baechle]

Robert,

It's not locked for replies.  You have to join the group.

Sincerely,

Eric B.

[Walter-Williams]

The oldest email I have from the CISSP forum is in 2005.  Since then, I've seen 15,645 distinct emails, on a variety of topics.  Many of the debates, on risk, on metrics, on standards, ethics, etc. have been essential to my growth.  

The peers I've met here have been essential to my career and professional development.  That I can now call folks like Dain, Anton, Gary, Rob, Donn, Martin, Sami etc. (I can't remember everyone) peers is in no small part to this forum.

Like many, I don't have time to go to a web portal.  I  barely have time to read/respond email.  If the new ISC communities could send me email, I might be tempted to join, so that I could mentor folks like I was mentored.  They are not designed that way.

Closing this community, and offering as an alternative a location that doesn't scale to meet my limited time is not a way to serve the ISC2 community.  None of the existing communities have the kinds of experience we have here because no one with that kind of experience has time for that.

We have time for email, barely.

You can claim that the ISC2 Communities are "successful".  However, they've only attracted those new to the field, and the questions are not being answered by the mature, experienced experts, because none of us can find the time to goto a web portal.

For years, I've tried to defend the ISC2.  Now you're making it so that I question the value I get from the organization.

The decision that was made does not serve us, the members, in any meaningful way.

[rslade]

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@Baechle wrote:
It's not locked for replies.  You have to join the group.

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Ah, thank you.  I sincerely apologize for having made false statements about ISC2's management of this "community."

How interesting.  You can read the group without having to be a member, but you have to join the group (and, first, find out that it is a group, and then find out how to join the group) before you can post.  Since keagle announced it as "only accessible to those
 who hold a current CISSP certification," this is obviously some new meaning to "accessible" of which I was previously unaware ...

[Baechle]

Robert,

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@rslade wrote:

How interesting.  You can read the group without having to be a member, but you have to join the group (and, first, find out that it is a group, and then find out how to join the group) before you can post.  Since keagle announced it as "only accessible to those
 who hold a current CISSP certification," this is obviously some new meaning to "accessible" of which I was previously unaware ...

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I have an idea.  How about we contact Ms. O'Connor directly with your observations and concerns about the forum being still "accessible" meaning "readable" by the public, and request that it be fixed?

It appears as though (ISC)^2 is making sincere effort to build out the forum based significantly on a handful of very vocal peoples' concerns.  You deserve some direct credit for catching a potential flaw and contributing so much to the way the community is turning out!  

Sincerely,

Eric B.

[rslade]

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@Baechle wrote:

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I have an idea.  How about we contact Ms. O'Connor directly with your observations and concerns about the forum being still "accessible" meaning "readable" by the public, and request that it be fixed?

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Interesting idea from the guy who keeps asking why we want to have a private, professional area ...

[Baechle]

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@rslade wrote:

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@Baechle wrote:

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I have an idea.  How about we contact Ms. O'Connor directly with your observations and concerns about the forum being still "accessible" meaning "readable" by the public, and request that it be fixed?

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Interesting idea from the guy who keeps asking why we want to have a private, professional area ...

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Why thank you!  🙂  I aim to please.  

I don't remember if you have successfully articulated why you believe a private (unreadable except for members) forum is necessary though.  Although @Dain did a pretty good job.  You may want to have that squared away when you contact (ISC)^2.

Sincerely,

Eric B.

[Dain]

as they have now taken to censoring topics that they don't care for, the benefits to a non borg-clown environment might be even more obvious

/d

[Baechle]

Dain,

Censorship is exactly what you and Rob have been arguing for, as long as it's Censorship in your favor.  The unavailability of that post to replies to non-members of the CISSP-only group is one step in the direction you wanted.

The post isn't locked for replies (last I check about 2 minutes ago), it simply requires you to join the group (if you have the CISSP credential) in order to reply.

Sincerely,

Eric B.

[Baechle]

Walter,

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@Walter-Williams wrote:

Like many, I don't have time to go to a web portal.  I  barely have time to read/respond email.  If the new ISC communities could send me email, I might be tempted to join, so that I could mentor folks like I was mentored.  They are not designed that way.

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I get email digests, and emails with individual replies to discussions I've either joined or subscribed.  I believe it's under settings to opt-in (GDPR?) to emails, and Subscriptions to manage what emails you get (Notification Settings, Email format, etc.)

I get that it's a new format and things are hard to find and get used to.  I hate every time Microsoft releases a new version of Office, it seems the only thing they do is hide the features I use the most.  But things change.  Adapt and overcome... or join the Dinosaurs.