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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

@cybermentor not sure it’s @SamanthaO_isc2  that makes decisions/mistakes, you may want to take it to the board, or better still get elected to the board. That options off the table if you lapse though. I’ve proposed a hardship based AMF waiver, but most security professional’s can plan for and afford the fee. Of course it could be worse, you might have been an accountant:

 

https://www.cpaontario.ca/cpa-members/obligations/fees-and-important-deadlines

 

of course probably not as ISC2 spends more than it’s AMF fee receipts on staff, Thayer need somewhere to work. And you’ve shortchanged ISC2 on members as there are 130,180 as of Dec 31st 2018. Your ‘we’ may not represent the membership statistically, but there is a bit more cash flow in that AMF stream.

 

I’d agree on the discounts, magazine is ok, webinars are meh, Garfield sucks(IMHO - kids like him and I Guess that’s the point), but the conference, chapters and the CBKs, and most importantly the membership are all pretty sound, in addition ISC2 gave out 1 M USD  in scholarships to Women, who get paid across the board less well than us men, so is a social good in redistribution. I don’t think ISC2 is perfect, but it’s a reasonable baseline.

 

If 125 USD is going to drive you to the wall, well, ok I Guess, folks would be sorry to see you go, and you could of course come back. However, CISSP, CCSP, SSCP all seem to be growing and ISC2in pretty rude health right now, this might change as ‘chunks’ of membership choose not to cary on and are decertified, if you think on it isc2 need to lose more than 32% of the membership to lose on the deal. But I Guess time will tell.

 

 

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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

All - supporters and dissenters:  The plain fact is that we quibble about $125 dollars (US), however, the plain facts of the truth are these:   The cybercrime business is making 6 Trillion Dollars per annum at the present time.   They are laughing at us, making hay, whilst we gamble and cajole with our employers to see the light.  We on the other according to statistics only invest 3.7 Trillion dollars per annum on supporting the security and privacy controls upon which Governance, Risk and Compliance depend upon to keep them financially viable. 

 

In the bigger scheme of things, we are fighting a losing battle, so lets stop quibbling and put our energy; where it is required, fighting the cybercrime contingent and ensuring our skills are brought up to date, so that we can assist our respective organisations or companies bring full comprehensive people, processes and technology to bear to protect them. 

 

If you look at the financial figures, this states, it would be more viable for cyber security professionals to change sides, and become corrupt.   ISC2 provides a set of ethics, encompassed within a global central register, which like the Medical Doctor's Hippocratic oath, we can be struck off, and exposed as corrupt security practitioners, which affects our ability to work, and provide a clean set of credentials etc.

 

To me, personally, I would rather organisations, wake up, realise the value they have within their fully certified security professionals within ISC2, who are prepared to publicly state we are bound by the ethics of the society, however, it my duty to do my best for the organisation I support, to do my best to combat the increasing tide of attacks, incidents, - however, I need the support of the organisation to do this.

 

We want to be the ones the organisations, turn to provide objective advice and trust to manage, protect and handle situations calmly in the hope we can reduce the inevitable impact - when it occurs, which as we all know is not a question of when, it is more of a question of how, where and what. 

 

There is insufficient security practitioners to deal with the tide, so lets turn our attention to assisting others wishing to get involved and commence their careers in an area, which just keeps on challenging and increasing in complexity. 

 

Whether you own an Eagle, Phoenix, Dragon or any other transportation means, mount up and lets get on with the battle or just get out of the kitchen, if it is too hot for you.   Lets root out the internal corruption and give the cybercrime contingent a black eye at least, to make them think twice before tackling us.  

 

Together we are stronger, resilient or we fall and fail divided.

 

Regards

 

Caute_cautim

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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

Yada, yada.Who pays you?
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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

No one, I pay for my subscription as previously stated, my organisation does not.   Some of us, have been in the business for 40 years, some will listen, some will not.  The fact is there is a battle to be tackled - we can carry on yacking or get on with it or just go to the dark side, make some dough and quick returns and eventually be caught and pay the penalty.  Make your choice.

 

Regards

 

Caute_cautim

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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

John, I agree with your sentiments.

 

At the same time:


@Caute_cautim wrote:

All - supporters and dissenters:  The plain fact is that we quibble about $125 dollars (US), however, the plain facts of the truth are these:   The cybercrime business is making 6 Trillion Dollars per annum at the present time.   They are laughing at us, making hay, whilst we gamble and cajole with our employers to see the light.

 

In the bigger scheme of things, we are fighting a losing battle, so lets stop quibbling and put our energy; where it is required, fighting the cybercrime contingent and ensuring our skills are brought up to date, so that we can assist our respective organisations or companies bring full comprehensive people, processes and technology to bear to protect them. 


Do you think if we make a strongly worded post here against the blackhats, they will stop?  :-)

 

(Then again, why should they?  Despite lots and lots of posts against the AMF increase, ISC2 is obviously paying no attention to us  :-)

 


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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

HI @rslade What I am saying, is we need more investment, more focus on unsettling the cyber criminal contingent, so that it becomes harder for them to make it financially viable, and that we get better at identifying, detecting, and responding to their attempts far earlier. 

 

If we have to do this via the supply chain, and embed the controls, so lets do it - because we sure are making this world complex and the risks keep coming, even though the brilliant ideas keep flowing - we need to balance out the equation.

 

Regards

 

Caute_cautim

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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

So put up a poster, Hackers please read this - nope that will not work - they will just find a means to alter it.

 

But at least we should embed the means to identity, detect and respond to alterations.

 

Regards

 

Caute_cautim

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Re: Caute_cautim mentioned you in (ISC)² Community

> Caute_cautim (Advocate I) mentioned you in a post! Join the conversation below:

> What I am saying, is we need more investment, more focus on
> unsettling the cyber criminal contingent, so that it becomes harder for them to
> make it financial viable, and that we get better at identifying, detecting, and
> responding to their attempts far earlier.

Amen and amen. I completely agree. (And, in terms of making it harder, one of
the reasons I'm pursuing the active defence issue:
https://community.isc2.org/t5/Chapters/Vancouver-Chapter-Ethics-of-Active-
Defence-Feb-8/m-p/18841/highlight/true#M355 and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJkevg0UGhQ )

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Re: Caute_cautim mentioned you in (ISC)² Community

@Caute_cautim 

 

Inspiring mini-polemic against the scourge of the black hat, I felt lifted - back to core Mission? Smiley Very Happy

 

I would say that attentetion arrention to detail and specificity of answers are important, aespecilaly when dealing with he reactionary - though you point is well made, and it’s not just about popping boxes and maintaining persistence.

 

My country has manifested a case of potentially terminal stupid and as well as exiting the EU(potentially just not bothered and walking away because of perceived costs/limits) may well break up in the medium long term. There was documentation of combined arms cyber/ information war to achieve this with money and means coming from outside - democracies are especially vulnerable to to this.

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Re: Your new annual membership Fee is now $125! How do you feel about that?

@cybermentor 

Read your posts and have to agree that your angst is misplaced.  @SamanthaO_isc2 is a member of the staff at (ISC)2 HQ and is responsible for things like content here.  She has no authority other than maybe deleting accounts for folks that mis-behave.

 

So if you are truly upset, write to the Board members, they are the ones that would have approved the change or write to the CEO or COO.  

 

As to who pays me (before you ask or say yada yada), my clients......

 

If I look at the amount of time, etc that you spent on this post, you have probably spent the increase several times over (I know that in reading and trying to reply to some of these posts, I know I have).

 

As previously stated, if you don't like the change, get yourself elected to the board and if that isn't something want to do, vote for someone that will make a difference.

 

Regards