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Advocate I

Self-Driving Car Software Security

Researchers from Tencent's Keen Security Lab reverse-engineered several of Tesla's automated processes to see how they reacted when environmental variables changed. One of the most striking discoveries was a way to cause Autopilot to steer into oncoming traffic. The researchers said autopilot uses a function called detect_and_track to detect lanes and update an internal map that sends the latest information to the controller.

 

The ability to alter self-driving cars by altering the environment isn't new. In late 2017, researchers showed how stickers affixed to road signs could cause similar problems. Tesla in a statement said that these are old issues and have been patched. They also said that changes to physical environments are generally considered outside the scope of attacks against their self-driving systems and in effect are not eligible for their bug bounty program. What a pity! That will just make researchers work harder and choose how they release their findings.

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Contributor I

Re: Self-Driving Car Software Security

As a whole,

 

At this point in time I see all self driving cars as an alternative to euthanasia for idiots.

 

As fast as these cars are being developed, the attack vectors are growing even faster and the attacker field is as well.

 

It used to be about stealing car or plane designs, now it will be about injecting code into cars before they even leave the factory, to be initiated at a later date.

 

Brrrrrrrrr

 

The future is definitely there, but I am going to wait a looooong time after they start being released before I get in one.

Sincerely,

Mike Glassman, CISSP
Iguana man
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Re: Self-Driving Car Software Security

> MikeGlassman (Newcomer III) posted a new reply in Tech Talk on 04-03-2019 01:30

> As a whole,   At this point in time I see all self driving cars as an
> alternative to euthanasia for idiots.

In general, I really hate machines that think they are smarter than I am. My car,
which, at this point, is almost 20 years old, has one computer in it, and, at times,
it has annoyed me. I'm not looking forward to the next few years as self-driving
cars take over.

At the same time, given that self-driving cars are *already* safer than we are, I've
got to admit that the life savings in road deaths alone means we shoould be
hastening self-driving cars as fast as we can. Hopefully with due care and attention.

>   As fast as these cars are being
> developed, the attack vectors are growing even faster and the attacker field is
> as well.   It used to be about stealing car or plane designs, now it will be
> about injecting code into cars before they even leave the factory, to be
> initiated at a later date.

As with all of our IoT stuff. Are smart fridges (kitchens?) going to keep us from
drinking expired milk, or (under) cooking chicken that's growing samonella or
ground beef that's growing e-coli? Lots of lives at stake there, too.

>     The future is definitely there, but
> I am going to wait a looooong time after they start being released before I get
> in one.

I hear you, but ...

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Re: Self-Driving Car Software Security

I want to know, who wrote the program, what bias they have and how they were educated, brought up and how any bias was removed from any Augmented Intelligence (AI) intrinsically used within the driving system.   Did they apply SecDevOps throughout the whole development process?  Was SDLC applied and who tested it?  Can they be held accountable?

 

What communications systems are passively enabled or is someone from Google via a hijacked WiFi or Cell tower likely to interfere with the system and its ability to get me from A to B?

 

Yes, I agree less accidents - but at the end of day, some human being wrote the original programs - and this has inherent bias built into it - were all scenarios tested - no because it would cost too much.   It would become uneconomic, but at least it would make people and organisations think about the safety of their employees.  Perhaps if the system was treated like an aircraft with international standards applied through appropriate authorities, then Safety would become the top priority?  

 

However, once again, we have to wait for a certain percent of accidents to occur, before this happens - its called the human condition - why not be proactive and prevent these accidents from occurring or minimising the likelihood?  

 

Statistical probability of any of the above, being heeded, about the same for the largest prime number we can currently compute on classical computing systems.

 

Regards

 

Caute_cautim