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rslade
Influencer II

Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election

> AppDefects (Contributor II) posted a new reply in Member Support on 06-27-2019

> This is exactly why the membership needs full access to
> Committee meeting minutes and work notes. 

Excellent suggestion.

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wimremes
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Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election


@AppDefects wrote:

@rslade wrote:

> wimremes (Newcomer III) posted a new reply in Member Support on 06-27-2019 10:43

 

> The ability to commit $10M to
> developing content for the PDI is a testament to that.

 

Wait, what?

 

We spent $10,000,000 on those stupid PDI courses?

 

OK, everybody out of the pool. Any Board that mismanages that much money in that way needs to be completely turfed.


Release the corporate tax returns to members! Let's really talk numbers! Let your buddies in the CISSPforum members chew on that one.


One thing a prospective board member (or a member in general) is expected to understand is how a 501c6 works ... part of that is that a 501c6 (and any 501cX) has to file a "Form 990" every single year. It gets better ... they are public and they contain everything you ask for 😮

 

Let's really talk numbers ... they're out there if you're interested. 

denbesten
Community Champion

Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election


@AppDefects wrote:

...Release the corporate tax returns to members!....


Tax returns for all USA not-for-profit corporations are public record and can be easily found online.  Here are those that I am aware of for (ISC)²:

 

http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=isc2&st=FL&zp=&ei=&fy=&action=Sea...

 

http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=security+certification&st=FL&zp=&...

 

They are also required to make them available for public inspection, but only at their offices and during their business hours.

wimremes
Contributor I

Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election

Last thing I'll put out there to ponder on.

 

The bylaws say that you can't sit on the board for longer than 6 years in a 10 year period.

 

This means you can technically come back after 4 years if you served 2 terms.

 

This also means that if you run again immediately after those 4 years have passed ... you can only sit for 1 term. (2013-2015 + 4 years hiatus + 2020-2022 = 6 years in a 10 year period. That's not an attack, that's math!)

 

If I would want to contribute to the org again after my 4 years on the sideline are up, I'd find other ways and wait another 2 years. First and foremost because it is much more productive if you have the possibility to serve 2 terms (it's never a certainty, ask Kevin Charest), but also because I would potentially take the place of somebody that could possibly serve 2 terms. The two biggest impacts from term limits are the difficulty to maintain institutional memory (work has been done but it's far from perfect) and the need to benefit from experience (quick turnaround == more unexperienced board members). 

 

In any case, it's our responsibility as a member to put the best possible people on the board. Through the slate or through petitions. Whoever gets elected by the membership is the person that represents us. I'll choose wisely. I hope all of us do.

rslade
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Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election

> AppDefects (Contributor II) posted a new reply in Member Support on 06-27-2019

> Drain the pool!
> Release the corporate tax returns! Let's really talk numbers!

Oh, no. We *couldn't* do that. That would be [shudder] ... measurable ...

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Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election

> AppDefects (Contributor II) mentioned you in a post! Join the conversation

 

> @rslade thanks for making me laugh today This topic is down right depressing.

 

We aims to please. Or, at least, amuse.

 

(Elections. Don't talk to me about elections. I've got these candidates all down my side ...)


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Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election

> AppDefects (Contributor II) edited a reply in Member Support on 06-27-2019 04:03

 

> Let your buddies in
> the CISSPforum members chew on that one.

 

I let them know. I think they are as stunned as I was ...


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denbesten
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Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election


@wimremes wrote:

Last thing I'll put out there to ponder on.

 

The bylaws say that you can't sit on the board for longer than 6 years in a 10 year period.

Yes, it is interesting to ponder.

 

I don't know the actual verbiage, but presuming your summary is adequate, it seems that serving a 4th term immediately after the 3rd would be no different than serving the 3rd term immediately after the 4 year hiatus.  To illustrate, presume this schedule:

 

2000-2002 1st term

2003-2005 2nd term

2006-2009 hiatus

2010-2012 3rd term

2013-2015 4th term

2016-2019 hiatus

2020-2022 5th term

2023-2025 6th term

2026-2029 hiatus

2030-2032 7th term

2033-2035 8th term

2036-2039 hiatus

 

In both cases (3rd and 4th term), the 10 year periods (2004-2013 and 2001-2010) both include 5 prior years of service plus the current year.

 

I'm wondering if you might be getting hung up by a common off-by-one subtraction error involving dates.  This often happens because 2009 minus 2000 equals 9, whereas 2000 through 2009 encompasses 10 years.  Although most people see this when starting with a nice round number, it is easy to miss when the units digit is not zero.

 

...Term limits [impact the ability to] maintain institutional memory ...[and the] benefit of experience.

The other side of these coins are institutional inertia and the benefit of new blood.  And, as the saying goes, the grass is always greener....

 

 

AppDefects
Community Champion

Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election


@denbesten wrote:

@AppDefects wrote:

...Release the corporate tax returns to members!....


Tax returns for all USA not-for-profit corporations are public record and can be easily found online.  Here are those that I am aware of for (ISC)²:

 

http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=isc2&st=FL&zp=&ei=&fy=&action=Sea...

 

http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=security+certification&st=FL&zp=&...

 

They are also required to make them available for public inspection, but only at their offices and during their business hours.


The 2016 form is a good read. It is reported to the IRS that Board Members work on average 2 hours per week. If members work more than that it should be declared to the IRS.

AppDefects
Community Champion

Re: (ISC)2 Board of Directors election

Where did everyone go?

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