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Community Manager

Everything we do at (ISC)² is focused on helping you achieve your professional goals, better secure your organization’s critical assets and achieve our vision of inspiring a safe and secure cyber world. With that in mind, we have invested heavily in strengthening the value we provide to our members. From new member benefits and our online community to our global (ISC)² Security Congress and the launch of immersive professional development opportunities, your (ISC)² team has been working hard to deliver on our value promise to you. To continue investing in enriching, valuable resources that enable you to grow as a professional, the (ISC)² Board of Directors has approved updates to our membership policies and an increase in our annual maintenance fees (AMFs).

 

What does this mean for you?

 

  • Simplified AMF Schedule – We are aligning with industry and financial best practices, as well as eliminating confusion among some members by no longer billing in arrears (for the previous year’s membership). AMFs will be due at the start of your membership cycle each year. To remain in Good Standing, all members are required to ensure their accounts align with the new payment policy by June 30, 2019. Sign in to www.isc2.org to view your account balance. If you still owe AMFs for the previous year, you will be required to pay those, as well as pay your AMF for the upcoming year.

  • New AMF of U.S. $125 – Effective July 1, 2019, your new AMF will be U.S. $125. Starting January 7, 2019, members have until June 30, 2019 to pay any outstanding AMFs and the option to pay ahead for the remainder of their three-year membership cycle at the current rate for your certification(s). For example, members with a CISSP who pay an outstanding AMF for last year also can pay their 2019 AMF at the rate of U.S. $85, if they pay by June 30, 2019. Members who are due for renewal (members in the final year of their three-year membership cycles) between January 1, 2019 and June 30, 2019 must pay any outstanding AMFs and their 2019 annual maintenance fee at the current rate before June 30.

  • Savings for Multiple Certifications – Starting July 1, 2019, members with multiple certifications will save as they will only pay a single AMF of U.S. $125 regardless of how many (ISC)² certifications they earn. If you hold multiple certifications, your single AMF of U.S. $125 will be due on your earliest certification anniversary.

  • Updated Member Policies – To clarify policies and procedures for members, we have revised the (ISC)² Certification and Member Maintenance Policy and (ISC)² Membership Reinstatement Policy. All policies are available online here.

 

Act Now and Save

You have until June 30, 2019 to pay your AMF at the current rate for this year, as well as any outstanding fees. If you choose, you also can pay the remainder of your current membership cycle at the current rate. If you pay your 2019 AMF after June 30, 2019, you will be charged at the new rate of U.S. $125. Sign in to www.isc2.org, visit the Member Dashboard and click on the Pay button to save now.

 

If you have any questions, read our AMF Overview (requires login), ask our team a question on the Member Support board or send an email to your regional Member Services team

 

Thank you for your (ISC)² membership.

27 Comments
Community Champion

As a holder of two certifications, CISSP and CCSP, I am looking forward to saving $60 a year in AMF!

 

Thank you,

 

Paul

Newcomer I
Everyone else that only has one just got screwed badly
Contributor I

Am a little confused by it saying I now own $235!!!

I have a CISSP, which is usually due end of Feb and the HCISPP due end of November.  I paid my 2018 fees in 2018, so why owe so much and not $125???

 

 

Newcomer II

Hi Samantha - can you provide us with more details around the new member benefits?

Viewer III

Could you please explain what current members are receiving for these increased rates or how this applies to the vision stated above? Please understand from a customer POV, this looks like you are targeting your biggest body (CISSP only) and trying to get more money out of them. 

 

Could you please justify how you got to that price point? When comparing to other respected certifications in the industry, Examples:

EC-Council: 80/year

ISACA: 45/year

SANS GIAC: 107.25/year (paid every 4)

 

I could be overlooking it, but I believe this puts ISC2 single-cert as the most expensive certification in the industry in terms of AMF. 

 

What do members do that have multiple certs that fall before and after the 6/30/19? 

 

 

Community Champion

Based on the current member counts, at most 20,328 stand to benefit from the "Single AMF", whereas at least 110,852 will be hurt by the price hike.

 

Member Counts as of 12/31/2018

CISSP Total131,180
SSCP Total4,822
CAP Total2,902
CSSLP Total2,277
ISSAP Total1,959
ISSEP Total1,153
ISSMP Total1,193
CCFP - US Total142
CCFP - EU Total49
CCFP - KR Total72
CCFP - IN1
CCSP Total4,518
HCISPP Total1,190
JGISP Total10
ISSJP Total40
Grand Total151,508

 

Less visible, but even more painful are the new reinstatement costs.  If someone who gave up their cert 5 years ago decides to reenter the field, they need to pony up $1924 ($699 exam fee + $125 x 5 back AMFs + $600 reinstatement).   I will never understand why companies treat current and former customers worse than new customers.  It's like they do not understand a bird in the hand....

 

 

Community Champion

> SamanthaO_isc2 (Community Manager) posted a new article in (ISC)² Updates

> Everything we do at (ISC)² is focused on helping you achieve your professional
> goals, better secure your organization’s critical assets and achieve our
> vision of inspiring a safe and secure cyber world.

 

... and rainbows and unicorns ...

 

> With that in mind, we have
> invested heavily in strengthening the value we provide to our members.

 

Like the new CPE portal?

 

> To continue
> investing in enriching, valuable resources that enable you to grow as a
> professional, the (ISC)² Board of Directors has approved updates to our
> membership policies and an increase in our annual membership fees (AMFs).  

 

OK, to be perfectly fair, this is the first increase in fees in, like, forever. But, to
be even fairer, what are we getting for this increase? Pretty much same old same
old.

 

Further to the implementation of this:

 

> To remain in Good Standing, all members are required to ensure their accounts
> align with the new payment policy by June 30, 2019.

> Starting January 7, 2019, members have until June 30, 2019 to pay any
> outstanding AMFs and the option to pay ahead for the remainder of their
> three-year membership cycle at the current rate for your certification(s).

 

The Cash Cow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r6LV02QscU

 

> Savings for Multiple Certifications – Starting July 1, 2019,
> members with multiple certifications will save as they will only pay a single
> AMF of U.S. $125 regardless of how many (ISC)² certifications they earn.

 

OK, taking both of these together, ISC2 is going to rake in a ton of money this
year, but then be faced with possible serious shortfall over the next few years, and
will be moving even further into the "quantity and not quality" mode that has
recently been concerning ...

 

I'm going to have to seriously consider taking the "Retired" designation ...

 

(And you haven't answered the question about whether I get kicked off the CISSP Group board if I take it ...)

Newcomer I

Simply disappointing.

 

From now on, I will recommend all my contacts not to make this certification.

Community Manager

Hello @danyo & @vividimagery

 

Thank you for reaching out with your questions. First, let’s go over how AMFs are used by (ISC)². They are used to directly support the costs of maintaining the (ISC)² certifications, related support systems and management of the association. Our teams did extensive research to come to the new amounts for our AMFs. While this new fee is in line with similar membership associations, we feel that our members receive a very a strong return on this annual investment. At the top of our AMF Overview page at www.isc2.org/AMFs-Overview, you’ll see a list of many of the valuable benefits you have access to. These range from immersive professional development courses, to discounts on learning materials, conferences, services and support, and much more at no additional cost to you. For more information, please see our FAQ page.

 

Community Manager

Hello @rslade

 

I wanted to address your comment about the Retired CISSP and if you would have access to the group. This is something that the team and I are still working on. As soon as I have any additional information I can update the original thread.  

 

 

Thank you, 

Samantha

Newcomer I
You need to allow those with single certs to keep paying only $85 although even that is ridiculous and POOR POOR value for money. Read the other comments, nobody gets much benefit from these wonderful features you mention. Its Amusement park theology, trapped inside so you'll pay whatever. You know we HAVE to keep our certs so you know you can gauge more money out of us for very little benefit. Single cert: $85 Multiple certs: $125
Newcomer I

I feel that raising the AMF nearly 50% to $125 per year ($375 per certification cycle) is criminal.  Particularly considering that the ONLY real benefit we receive from it is a certificate and card every 3 years and the ability to place letters behind our name. That ridiculous Member Perks app is a complete waste of time and money.  I can get more technical and security information for free from the SANS IC3 and Infragard websites. ISC2 creating and selling additional certifications does not help me achieve my professional goals.

 

Having had my certification for almost 14 years I have invested nearly $1200 in AMF fees alone not to mention the (unbillable) time spent in maintaining CPE's.  This will likely boost organizations like SANS.  Or, at least make folks perform a more critical value analysis of maintaining this certification.  

 

I know I will be evaluating whether to maintain my certification when it comes up for renewal next year.

 

I doubt anyone at ISC2 really cares about our opinions here.  But, I felt the need to vent.

 

 

Community Champion
> SamanthaO_isc2 (Community Manager) mentioned you in a post! Join the

> Hello @rslade,    I wanted to address your comment about the Retired CISSP
> and if you would have access to the group. This is something that the team and I
> are still working on. As soon as I have any additional information I can update
> the original thread.

I will compose my soul in impatience.

However, a choice seems to lie before me. I can go for the "Retired" designation,
pay a one-time fee, and not pay any more AMFs. Or, I can simply not pay this
year, or any future year.

At the moment, paying for the "Retired" designation doesn't seem to get me
anything ...

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Community Champion

> SamanthaO_isc2 (Community Manager) posted a new comment in (ISC)² Updates

 

> First, let's go over how AMFs are used by (ISC)². They are used to
> directly support the costs of maintaining the (ISC)² certifications, related
> support systems and management of the association.

 

Well, it's been doing OK at $85 for some time, now, so what's changed?

 

> Our teams did extensive
> research to come to the new amounts for our AMFs. While this new fee is in line
> with similar membership associations

 

"Everybody else is doing it" never cut any ice with me from the kids, so I'm not about to accept it from ISC2.

 

> At the top of our AMF Overview page at
> www.isc2.org/AMFs-Overview, you'll see a list of many of the valuable benefits
> you have access to. These range from immersive professional development courses,
> to discounts on learning materials, conferences, services and support, and much
> more at no additional cost to you.

 

I'd suggest you take a serious look at
https://community.isc2.org/t5/Member-Support/Your-new-annual-membership-
Fee-is-now-125-How-do-you-feel-about/m-p/18199/highlight/true#M3532

before you play that card ...

Newcomer I

A 47% fee increase is disgraceful. Whomever thought that this was a good idea should lose their job.

The fact that the board approved this outrageous hike is alarming; it shows the contempt that they have for their members. The audacity exhibited by the board members without consultation or warning to their bread-and-butter members is an indication of things to come.

There would not have been an objection to a reasonable increase.

After 10 years with ISC2, I will not be renewing my membership.

 

My message to the ISC2 board is that this will unreasonable price hike will cause the brand reputational damage that the organization will find difficult to recover from. It also signals a major breach of trust with the membership.

 

Viewer II

I'm still confused... I have the SSCP and CISSP... SSCP due Nov 2019 and CISSP due April 2019.   

 

Do I pay $85 for CISSP this year and not pay for SSCP until next year when both will be $125?  

 

I was going to let my SSCP "go away" since it made little sense for me to include it on anything since I have the CISSP.  Guess I will keep it now.  

 

I also have the PMP and that is $130 per year for the membership each year.  There are a lot of pluses to keep the membership... free training, free ebooks (PMBOK, Agile, EVM, and other useful books), etc.  Every three years the maintenance fee for PMP is $60 if you have a membership or $150 if you don't.  There is value...

 

My point is that ISC2 has to show value.  Not sure I see the value when I visit "member perks".  Books at 50%, but then they are still more expensive or the same amount you can purchase on Amazon.  That is baffling.  "MyCourses" list three courses.  My job pays for conferences.  I think they should look at expanding the offerings and moving forward.  Show value.  

Moderator

@WideOpenPort Please email me directly with your primary email on file, your member ID number and what your questions are. From there I will look into your account and confirm what would be due and when.

 

Best Regards,

Amanda Vance

avance@isc2.org

Newcomer III

The new AMF is a good idea as long as the funds collected also continue to support training resources to gain meaningful CPEs, such as the new on-line courses that are now provided us at no additional cost.  Increased fees to keep our certifications based in true expertise instead of needing to purchase all certification preparation material from (ISC)2 also has merit.  The one issue I have is that those of us whose current cycle ends right on June 30th, 2019 are not able to pay right now the $125 even if we have our 120 CPEs now; so does that mean we have to pay right on the 1st of July?  Why can't (ISC)2 have an automatic payment option for AMFs where the AMF is automatically billed the credit card on file for a member just at the right time so that members do not have to worry about getting mixed up on the dates.  (ISC)2 used to send multiple reminders of CPEs and AMF needed in advance with very specific instructions and deadlines and I found that very helpful.   

 

The single fee is also better for the profession since it encourages members to go for more than just one certification.  I would like for (ISC)2 to promote our Systems Security Certified Practitioner (SSCP) as the certification of choice for new professionals in our craft over the CompTIA Security+ or at least we should provide meaningful options for those entering the cybersecuirty workforce over the very limited set of options that the DoD Manual 8570 does.  I am proud that (ISC)2 does not force people to only use (ISC)2 training materials to get ready for our certifications or to stay certified; this is the right and ethical way to operate.  Having a higher AMF is worth it so as to keep our certifications as truly vendor neutral as possible in all aspects to include training materials.  

 

We should also strive to have our certification examinations become capability based assessments that are based on case study materials and scenarios with essays that are graded by members who have been in the profession over a decade in good standing using a system that masks the person they are scoring. This will take us to the next level and make our process consistent with capabilities based education. By doing this (ISC)2 could take the lead in closing the cyber workforce gap by focusing on our certifications being about mastering all the knowledge, skills, and abilities needed to function in the profession.  Our experience and endorsement requirement really adds value to our credential and making the assessment a practical would make our credential even more relevant.  In addition to passing a certification examination, having experience, and an endorsement, our members should have to publish an peer reviewed article once a cycle to not only show they are really experts but to also help provide more diverse material for our (ISC)2 and other professional cybersecurity publications.

Viewer II

@SamanthaO_isc2 wrote:

 

Act Now and Save

You have until June 30, 2019 to pay your AMF at the current rate for this year, as well as any outstanding fees. If you choose, you also can pay the remainder of your current membership cycle at the current rate. If you pay your 2019 AMF after June 30, 2019, you will be charged at the new rate of U.S. $125. Sign in to www.isc2.org, visit the Member Dashboard and click on the Pay button to save now.

 

I would like to pay ahead before the July 1st deadline, but there is no "Pay" button on the Member Dashboard. 

Just this message & a "Learn More" link:

          "Your Maintenance Fee after the transition will be $125 due on Jul 01, 2019"

 

I tried the "Maintenance Fees" link, but it produces a broken pop-up, stating that:

          "Your AMF payments are current. To review your payment schedule, please view My Account."

I could not find any link labeled, "My Account."

 

This occurs in Firefox, Chrome, & IE.

 

 

Do you have a direct link to Pay Ahead?

Contributor I

This is in response to Logan's posting about paying ahead.

 

I took a look at my own account.  As I have paid up on my fees, I no longer have an option to pay ahead.  This may be the same for you.  If you are paid up with your certs, may no longer be an option.

 

To be more clear.  I have 2 certs, one I paid in February, the other in November.  Due to the new payment scheme, I had to paid for my cert in November of 2019 AND my other cert for Feb 2020.  I could have paid further out, but didn't feel it was worth it with the new scheme.

 

Having paid my Nov 2019 and Feb 2020 fees, paying forward is not available to me.  Instead I'll in line with the new payment method.