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How to Enrich the Community in 2018

How to Enrich the Community in 2018

Community Manager

Enrich_badge.pngEarn the (ISC)2 Enrich badge for demonstrating superior engagement that enriches the (ISC)2 Community through the months of June and July.

 

 

To qualify, you must complete these 3 activities:

  • Receive 1 kudo
  • Give 1 kudo
  • Make 1 post

 

Why Kudos?  Kudos can have many meanings, but they work best when you want to show someone you read through their article, appreciate (or agree) with their insights, give a thank you to someone for supplying the information, or if you just want to say “Job well done!”

 

Thank you for your commitment to Enrich. Enable. Excel. with us! Your participation helps peers and fellow (ISC)2 members remain well-rounded and informed as cybersecurity professionals.

 

 

22 Comments
Community Champion

I earned the "Enrich the Community 2018" badge.

 

I'm not telling you this so you'll be impressed.  I'm not impressed.  I'm on the "why do we have badges and kudos anyway?" side.  I've got over a dozen badges, and, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do anything much to get them.  I got one for making my first post, my 25th post, and my 50th post.  Does it keep on going by 25s?  Will I be getting a badge for my 375th post?  And the Enrich, as far as I can see, is even more artificial and arbitrary.   I made posts, and gave kudos, and got kudos, in May and it didn't get me a badge, and in August I can make a post, get a kudo, and give a kudo and it won't get me a badge.

 

But I digress.  Because I am not posting now to complain about badges and kudos.

 

What bugs me is that somehow ISC2 sees the Enrich badge as so important that they have to keep telling me I got one over and over.  I've received more than half a dozen email announcements of it.  I got some kind of screen banner about it.  I've got one of those grey shadow boxes that tell you something has happened right now and if you click on them they will interrupt what you are doing and take you to whatever just happened.  (Which is weird, because I got the badge June 1st, and the shadow box announcement happened yesterday.)

 

What is it about the Enrich badge?  If I get one, does that automatically give me a seat on the Board or something?

Community Champion

OK, now it's more than just daily.  It seems to have moved up to an "every four hours" cycle ...

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Date sent:          Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:10:12 +0000 (UTC)
From:               ISC ² Community <connect@isc2.org>
Subject:            You earned the Enriching the Commu
    nity 2018 badge on (ISC)² Community

You just earned a new badge!

Enriching the Community 2018
[...]
------- End of forwarded message -------


------- Forwarded message follows -------
Date sent:          Mon, 11 Jun 2018 14:20:04 +0000 (UTC)
From:               ISC ² Community <connect@isc2.org>
Subject:            You earned the Enriching the Commu
    nity 2018 badge on (ISC)² Community

You just earned a new badge!

Enriching the Community 2018
[...]
------- End of forwarded message -------

Newcomer II

I got the same e-mail last Saturday, so I must have posted a message and received & given kudo's (I don't keep track). I'm not as lucky as @rslade to receive the announcement every 4hrs Smiley Wink but I didn't get the badge either.

 

@rslade: how many badges didn't you receive? Smiley LOL

 

On a more serious note: shouldn't we (yes WE, we all make (ISC)2) spend our time/money on solving the issues with the CPE portal and come up with a workable environment instead of spending the time/money on internal marketing (read: badges)?

Reader II

It's called gamification ...... and even though you may think it's silly, it seems to have worked with you. I was going to talk about it, but just go read about it on Wikipedia or better yet take a MOOC.

Viewer

So I guess soon will received so call spam mail based on the feedback from rest on participants after kudo?

Community Champion

@SamanthaO_isc2, I would suggest that this badge be awarded subject to moderator approval, in addition to what's stated above. Otherwise you risk a large number of people getting badges for nothing significant.

 

Take a hypothetical situation, involving 5 members: A, B, C, D and E. Only A tends to post useful material & give kudos out of appreciation --- the other members give Kudos for the sake of it and in the hope that they will get Kudos in return. Consequently, you may find that B, C, D and E hold the badge, despite the fact that they posted material of no significance at all, and have given Kudos for things they haven't read, let alone found useful

 

To avoid this happening, please consider moderator approval of the posts --- at least for this particular badge.

 

 

Newcomer II

Well, they are probably working out some bugs.  Have you looked at your notification settings?  

Newcomer III

To me "give one Kudo, receive one Kudo and make one post" seems a low bar to set. 

This is more participation than enrichment. 

Surely for enrichment there should be some value assessment as to the quality of the participation?

Community Manager

Hello everyone, 

 

Thank you for passing your thoughts along about the Enrich badge. We do understand that the first step in the badge series was an easy one, we wanted to ease everyone into the program and make it easy to get started. As the program continues, it does get more involved and requires more participation. You can take a look at all of the requirements here

 

The issue with the emails should now also be resolved if you are receiving multiple copies of the email notification still, please let me know. 

 

 

Newcomer III

Thanks for the information Samantha, but I still see no value assessment. 

The requirement is simply to add content (any content) and to "like" and be "liked". 

There is absolutely no measure of the value of any content in this scheme to enrich, empower, and excel - only to participate. 

 

The guidelines, as explained in the link provided, simply do not require any post or associated activity to "add value" to the community.

In addition, the ability to give and receive Kudos is a nothing more than a mechanism to achieve a badge.  I just have to "tag" and be "tagged" to gain merit I don't even have to read a post to tag a community member. Where exactly is the enrichment, empowerment, and excellence in that?

 

This may start with participation, but without a value assessment I question the wisdom of this approach.  This will achieve "badge chasing" rather than enrichment, empowerment, and excellence IMHO.

Community Champion

@SamanthaO_isc2, even to earn the remainder of the badges, it doesn't seem like the bar's been set too high.

 

Anyone who's simply eager to accumulate badges might perceive requirements as follows: -

 

  1. Make posts --- the contents of your post needn't be of any significance!
  2. Give kudos --- be generous, because it doesn't matter what they're for.
  3. Get kudos --- the more you post & the more kudos you give out, the better your chances of getting kudos.
  4. Tag posts --- don't worry about relevance; just tag as much as you can!

Assuming the system isn't using AI, moderator approval* for the awarding of badges is very much required.

 

If it can't be facilitated I fully agree with the others --- the badges would merely promote 'pointless participation.'

 

* Based on assessments by the moderators

 

 

Community Champion

 

no badges CISSP badge.png

 

Viewer III

A human should be looking at granting badge or not. Room for improvement here, ISC2. 

Viewer

This is a waste of time and energy.

TJM
Reader I

Who else is excited about the Enrich, Enable, Excel initiative? I'm proud to say that I will retire from Active military service in the USAF this year and am planning on relocating to the state of Utah. Has anyone lived there that could give me some information about the state or the city of Ogden?

Viewer III

Smiley Happy 

Viewer III

This type of activities are given by the Community to make the members to participate in various discussions.

Viewer III

I give up of this. 

Viewer II
I don't want to enrich anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to enrich anything bought or processed, or enrich anything sold or processed, or enrich anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything enriched, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that.
Viewer II

Good idea and lot of space for improvements.

 

  • Make posts
  • Give kudos
  • Get kudos
  • Tag posts

With person intervention for approval it can be simplify in  manner that not all from list above IS A MUST.

It is just a comment to think about.

 

Regards.

 

Community Champion

Just Kudo'd rslades "no-badge" badge so that I could help him earn the enrich badge.   You're welcome.  Sadly, I can not also tag it to help myself earn the enrich badge.  

Community Champion
> denbesten (Contributor III) posted a new comment in (ISC)² Updates on

> Just Kudo'd rslades "no-badge" badge so that I could help him earn the enrich
> badge.

Thanks.

>   You're welcome.  Sadly, I can not also tag it to help myself earn
> the enrich badge.

Argh. You're right. I shouldn't have posted it here in one of the "blog" areas: you
can't tag anything. (Or even reply to the replies. At least, not on the Web
interface. Have to do it through "reply via email." Which seems to be working
these days ...)

Should I repost the "no badges" badge over in Dain's "Can I opt out of kudos and
badges?"
https://community.isc2.org/t5/Welcome/Can-I-opt-out-of-kudos-and-badges/m-
p/11047#M1192 or https://is.gd/GaV6sq

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