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Re: Education never-ending

Michael @emb021, Diana @dcontesti, and Grandpa Rob @rslade have each  challenged my position that  leadership or service positions in professional society chapters should not qualify for CPE credit. Your posts have caused me to think more on the topic and modify my position. I have for years considered the professional education phrase as referring to education in the central aspects of the profession, defined for CISSPs in the domains of the CBK.

 

However, many in the technical fields have increasingly come to recognize that technical knowledge and skill is worthless without an ability to take action and implement the results of such skills. For this reason, many across the engineering, technical, and scientific arenas have been increasing the focus on balancing technical skills with so-called soft skills. In almost any environment, the leadership and management skills for planning, organizing, communicating, directing, coordinating actions with a team are essential to actual success. As Diana implied, these skills come to bear when involved in professional society service and leadership positions, both at the chapter and at the society level.

 

With the above logic I hereby withdraw my assertion of bribery for service as the basis for society service CPE credit. However, now I wonder should such service be identified as a third CPE category, Type C, and limited to a reasonable proportion of the total 120 credit requirement, just as Type B general skill credits are limited? It seem that some proportion of the 120 credits should always be Type A domain-linked education.

 

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Re: Education never-ending

@CraginS wrote:

...should such service be identified as a third CPE category, Type C...

It might be instructive to review page 8 of the CPE handbook and then contrast your proposed Type-C vs the existing Group-B.  At the moment, I struggle to understand how there would be sufficient distinction to make it worth managing a whole new category.

 

One might also note that page 18 uses "Chapter formation or management" as an example of an activity that already qualifies for Group-B.  Given that Group-B caps at 33%, the official rules might just be at the position that you are proposing.

 

Incidentally, I have always had great respect for those that are willing to be swayed by a good discussion.  It is an important and natural outcome of lifelong learning.  Thanks for letting us know that Diana and others have swayed your opinion.  I too am open to such swaying.

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Re: Education never-ending

I don't see the value of created a "Group C" set of CPEs.

Softskills and leadership experience/training already falls into Group B, which is limited.  That should be enough.

 

I wouldn't want anyone to get all their CPEs completed with non-technical CPEs.  But they should get some credit for this.

 

Michael Brown, CISSP, HCISPP, CISA, CISM, CGEIT, CRISC, GSLC, GSTRT, ISSA Fellow
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> However, now I wonder should such service be identified
> as a third CPE category, Type C, and limited to a reasonable proportion of
> the total 120 credit requirement, just as Type B general skill credits are
> limited?

I could go along with that, although I wonder if it's unnecessarily complicated ...

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