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Newcomer II

Disadvantage non native speakers

Last month I have been studying CISSP with the books 

CISSP offical study guide, 7th edition

CISSP offical study guide, 8th edition

CISSP offical student guide, 5th edition

 

I am not a native English speaker. my mothertongue is Dutch. 

I made an English-Dutch dictionary with 30 essential words. https://quizlet.com/_5ibmh0

 

1. Some words are essential like non-repudiation but many other words can easily be replaced, e.g. rote memorisation. I call upon the writers of these books to take this into account. The English grammer is already enough of a challenge.

 

2. There is no Dutch dictionary allowed (online or hardcopy) during the exam, To me this is an unfair disavantage. 

Why can't there be a dictionary provided during the exam. 

 

Cees Doets

The Netherlands

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Newcomer II

Re: Disadvantage non native speakers

This the isdue, well I'd call it annoyance, is the IT/Security Field's addiction to creating new acronyms, totally unneeded, as well as books that are using too much effort in trying to sound smart, than making the topics easily explained, to assist in learning of material, which forces some students to review multiple texts for understanding.... Hope you pass/psssed
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Re: Disadvantage non native speakers

Perhaps you could turn this into a job opportunity for yourself.  Contact the author(s) and offer to write a translated version of the book in exchange for a portion of the royalties on its sales.

 

 

Newcomer II

Re: Disadvantage non native speakers

Funny enough, I have 2 books I'm trying to put together, one being CISSP and the other CEH...promise I will do my best, if it happens at all, to keep it simple lol
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Re: Disadvantage non native speakers


@Cees wrote:

Last month I have been studying CISSP with the books 

CISSP offical study guide, 7th edition

CISSP offical study guide, 8th edition

CISSP offical student guide, 5th edition

 

I am not a native English speaker. my mothertongue is Dutch. 

I made an English-Dutch dictionary with 30 essential words. https://quizlet.com/_5ibmh0


What happened to the translated tests?  Have they been phased out since the CAT-based exam came in?  (I mean, they were never great, but ...)

 


1. Some words are essential like non-repudiation but many other words can easily be replaced, e.g. rote memorisation. I call upon the writers of these books to take this into account. The English grammer is already enough of a challenge.


Even for English-speakers an infosec dictionary is a good idea.

 


2. There is no Dutch dictionary allowed (online or hardcopy) during the exam, To me this is an unfair disavantage. 

Why can't there be a dictionary provided during the exam.


 

Hmmmm.  It used to be that an "English/Whatever" dictionary was the only book you could take into the exam ...

 


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Re: Disadvantage non native speakers


@rslade wrote:

What happened to the translated tests?  Have they been phased out since the CAT-based exam came in?  (I mean, they were never great, but ...)

They still exist.  Unfortunately for @Cees, Dutch is not among the languages offered.  The languages offered are English (CAT-based),  French, German, Brazilian Portuguese, Spanish, Japanese, Simplified Chinese, Korean, Visually impaired.

Newcomer II

Re: Disadvantage non native speakers

Hi CuriousMind18,

Are you creating study material?

I will be happy to contribute in proof reading for you, assuming the number of hours is reasonable.

Cees 

Community Champion

Re: Disadvantage non native speakers

(ISC)² does have both Acronym and Term glossaries that include translations into a few different languages, sadly not including Dutch.

Can't take them into a test, but they are useful as a study aid, even for those who natively speak English.

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Re: Disadvantage non native speakers

@rslade  Rob,  I don't ever remember a dictionary being allowed in the testing centers (exam rooms).......even when I wrote the exam in 1995, they were not allowed.......things must have changed at some point. 

 

I actually think that a dictionary would English to whatever would/could provide an unfair advantage......and in some cases might lead the candidate to the correct answer.

 

Just my nickel (canadian) on a very early morning.

 

Regards

 

Diana

 

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> dcontesti (Contributor I) mentioned you in a post! Join the conversation below:

>   Rob,  I don't ever remember a dictionary being allowed in the testing
> centers (exam rooms)

Well, of course. You were a mere Board member. *I*, on the other hand, was an
instructor!

Seriously, though, we did have to confirm a lot more about the details of the exam
and process, since we got so many questions during the seminars. The dictionary
thing was one we heard regularly in the instructors' meetings. I even confirmed it
with the pyschometrician at one point.

>.......even when I wrote the exam in 1995, they were not
> allowed.......things must have changed at some point.

A not unlikely possibility. I know that [foreign language]/English dictionaries
were allowed by 2001. I think I last had it conformed in 2008, when the
translated tests were on offer. It's quite possible that the rules have changed again,
since we've had the change in pschometric outfits, and then the change to
computer-based exams, and now the change to CAT.

>    I actually think that
> a dictionary would English to whatever would/could provide an unfair
> advantage......and in some cases might lead the candidate to the correct answer.

Not too sure how much of an advantage a [foreign language]/English dictionary
would be, since it doesn't actually provide any definitions. And I recall my times
as a college/uni instructor. I used to offer open book exams. I stopped when it
got too painful watching kids who hadn't paid attention during the course came in
loaded down with resources and spent the whole exam madly flipping through
material they didn't understand vainly looking for the answer ...

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