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Confusion on Associate Status

@david-shearer 

 

David, recently @la_joella wrote to Member Support due to an error on their submission for certification.

 

The letter sent to them clearly states that they are an ASSOCIATE CISSP?  Have the classifications for certification changed or Associate changed?  If so, was it announced?  Or is this a problem with the new system?

 

A couple of folks have raised this as an issue or concern.

 

Can you advise?

 

Regards

 

Diana Contesti

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Re: Confusion on Associate Status

@david-shearer  the thread that launched this discussion, with several comments is

Associate CISSP mistake

 

Thank you , Diana @dcontesti for kicking this off here.

 

 

Dr. D. Cragin Shelton, CISSP
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Re: Confusion on Associate Status

@dcontesti 

 

Thanks for bring this to our attention. There has been no change in how an Associate of (ISC)² status should be represented publicly. No matter what certification a candidate is pursuing, they are an Associate of (ISC)². Within our systems, we do link a candidate’s associate status with the exam they passed. We are exploring if this is the data that is being shared and what revisions are necessary to eliminate any confusion.

 

According to (ISC)² Regulations Governing Use of Certification/Collective Logo Marks policy:

 

“Associates of (ISC)² are NOT certified and may not use any Logo or description other than "Associate of (ISC)²". Under no circumstances may they identify which exam they have successfully passed or use any Logo, other than "Associate of (ISC)²", in any manner.”

 

I hope this helps clarify. 

 

Thanks

Jarred

 

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Re: Confusion on Associate Status


@Jarred_LeFebvre wrote:

@dcontesti 

 

Thanks for bring this to our attention. There has been no change in how an Associate of (ISC)² status should be represented publicly. No matter what certification a candidate is pursuing, they are an Associate of (ISC)². Within our systems, we do link a candidate’s associate status with the exam they passed. We are exploring if this is the data that is being shared and what revisions are necessary to eliminate any confusion.

 

According to (ISC)² Regulations Governing Use of Certification/Collective Logo Marks policy:

 

“Associates of (ISC)² are NOT certified and may not use any Logo or description other than "Associate of (ISC)²". Under no circumstances may they identify which exam they have successfully passed or use any Logo, other than "Associate of (ISC)²", in any manner.”

 

I hope this helps clarify. 

 

Thanks

Jarred

 


Jarred,

No, your reply does not come close to clarifying the issue. If you go back to the other linked thread, you will see that (ISC)2 sent out a formal notification to a candidate saying he was now an "Associate CISSP."  Both Diana and I questioned that form notification given the policy  you cited above as our best knowledge on the topic.

 

Please go read that other thread and comeback again here.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

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Re: Confusion on Associate Status

Thanks cragins. I am in Copenhagen with limited access to internet.

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Re: Confusion on Associate Status

@CraginS and @dcontesti 

 

Sorry for any additional confusion. I’ll take another run at this.

 

The system-generated email contains a variable field for Certification type or Associate status. It is being populated with the entry in our Association Management System, which is either a Certification(s) or Associate of (ISC)² designation(s) held by each member. Since the system records each Associate designation with the respective exam passed (such as in this case: Associate CISSP), that is what was sent via the email. We understand the confusion on the recipient’s part and others. We are working to ensure the information is populated correctly in email and on the dashboard to align with our policy for how Associate and Certification designations are to be represented publicly.

 

For example, the official email should read “… has awarded you the Associate of (ISC)² designation” and not “…has awarded you the Associate CISSP Designation.” The same is true for the dashboard.

 

I looked at the other thread as well, and if the candidate didn’t intend to pursue the Associate of (ISC)² route but instead seeks endorsement for CISSP certification, I believe Amanda has posted a reply to assist if that is the case. Otherwise, the candidate received a letter the designation “Associate CISSP” instead of “Associate of (ISC)²” which we are going to correct.

 

If I am still not following your concern or addressing the right question, please advise.

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Re: Confusion on Associate Status

 

 

 

So effectively, what we saw is due to the way the system operates.

 

I hope (ISC)2 is addressing the root cause, and not just the effect...

 

 

Shannon D'Cruz,
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Re: Confusion on Associate Status


@Jarred_LeFebvre wrote:

..., the candidate received a letter the designation “Associate CISSP” instead of “Associate of (ISC)²” which we are going to correct.


Perhaps it would make more sense to change the policy instead of changing the letter.  Given that (ISC)² sees value in the term "Associate CISSP", it seems likely that others would find it useful too.  I am aware of two notable examples:

 

  1. A person often wants a fair way to mention on a resume that they have passed the exam and have a career goal of attaining the necessary experience to endorse.
  2. Some educational institutions are using the (ISC)² exams as a "final exam" for their prep courses and there needs to be an effective way of describing to them which exam has been passed.  If "Associate CISSP" were to reflect into the member verification page, this becomes easy.

If I am still not following your concern or addressing the right question, please advise.

Let me take a stab at it.  Your original "clarification" had a ring of "do what I say, not what I do".  In other words, one could easily read it as being OK for (ISC)² to declare a person to be "Associate CISSP", but then the person was not permitted to refer to themselves in the same way.  In addition to being a double-standard, it feels a bit like entrapment.

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Re: Confusion on Associate Status

I know we all like to talk about Acclaim badges, so let's throw those into the discussion too.

 

There are 7 Acclaim "Associate" badges, one for each of the current main certifications and one for the soon to be inactive CCFP.

 

While each badge graphic just says Associate of ISC2 (see screenshot below), if you click on the badge it takes you to a page where it names and describes the full certification - seemingly an approved way of getting around the restrictions of not being able to say which exam you've passed.

 

https://www.youracclaim.com/org/isc2/badge/associate-of-isc - CISSP
https://www.youracclaim.com/org/isc2/badge/associate-of-isc.1 - CSSLP
https://www.youracclaim.com/org/isc2/badge/associate-of-isc.2 - CCFP
https://www.youracclaim.com/org/isc2/badge/associate-of-isc.3 - HCISSP
https://www.youracclaim.com/org/isc2/badge/associate-of-isc.4 - CCSP
https://www.youracclaim.com/org/isc2/badge/associate-of-isc.5 - CAP
https://www.youracclaim.com/org/isc2/badge/associate-of-isc.6 - SSCP

 

acclaim-isc2-badges.png

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Re: Confusion on Associate Status

 

 


@denbesten wrote:


Perhaps it would make more sense to change the policy instead of changing the letter.  Given that (ISC)² sees value in the term "Associate CISSP", it seems likely that others would find it useful too. 


 

 

That's true; 'Associate CISSP' would get more attention than 'Associate of (ISC)2,' given that most are familiar with the CISSP certification, but not the Associate member status.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shannon D'Cruz,
CISM, CISSP

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