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Re: Worst job interview

So just had a really lousy job interview experience that I'm still a bit annoyed about.

 

Just after Christmas was reached out to by a recruiter for a MAJOR computer company.  She had seen my LinkedIn profile and the cybersecurity group there was expanded and needed people with excellent security & compliance experience, which I have.

 

She sent me a questionnaire to fill out and scheduled a call with me a couple days before New Years.  After our conversation she setup a half day of video interviews with the team.  Sent me other stuff to prepare for it.  I asked for half a day off for "personal matters".

 

Interestingly, someone from this same group is in my network of infosec folks, and reached out to the group that his group was hiring.  I even PM'd him about my upcoming interview and we chatted a little.

 

After confirming the interview, filling out an NDA, etc, I figured all was set.

 

Get up, dress nicely (being able to see me was a big part of doing a video interview vs just a phone interview), and got on the system.  And waited.  And waited.  About 10-15 minutes, I did an email response to the interview message to ask what's going on.  Maybe the first person got delayed for some reason.

 

The recruiter who had setup the interview (separate from the first one who spoke with me) got on and said the team was busy, the manager was re-evaluating things, and they would setup a new interview with me at the end of the month.  Was a little annoyed that no one contacted me, but ok.  (Needless to say, I went into work)

 

I emailed back to the original recruiter to start things rolling for the re-scheduled interview.

 

Instead in a couple of days I get a message basically telling me that the manager had "re-evaluated the position" and that the company was no longer interested in me for this role.  Frankly I find this to be pretty cr*ppy.  The time to figure this out is before you setup an interview with someone.  I had made arrangements for the interview and all, sat waiting for things to start with nothing, and not even an apology for all this.  To me this shows poor leadership and a bad corporate culture if this sort of thing is ok.

 

The closest I've had with other companies have been promises to setup a followup interview that never happened (including one guy that stringed me along for 2-3 months with such a promises when I figured after a couple of weeks it wasn't going to happen.  I was curious to see how long he'd pull this off.  He continued up till they point they filled the position, btw).  But to just not show up for a scheduled interview with no notice seems worse to me.

 

Maybe I'm old fashioned, or adhere to certain leadership principles, but just feel this sort of thing is lousy.

 

 

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Michael Brown, CISSP, HCISPP, CISA, CISM, CGEIT, CRISC, GSLC, GSTRT, ISSA Fellow
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Re: Worst job interview

> emb021 (Contributor II) edited a reply in Career on 01-28-2020 10:01 AM in the

>   Frankly I find this to be pretty cr*ppy.

Over the past four decades, I have found this to be increasingly common. HR
people seem to think they are doing you a favour just agreeeing to meet with you.
Companies no longer acknowledge applications, and no longer tell you when
competition closes and a candidate is chosen. Funny: with all the new technology
this stuff is increasingly easy to track, but followup is getting worse and worse.

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Re: Worst job interview


@rslade wrote:
> emb021 (Contributor II) edited a reply in Career on 01-28-2020 10:01 AM in the

>   Frankly I find this to be pretty cr*ppy.

Over the past four decades, I have found this to be increasingly common. HR
people seem to think they are doing you a favour just agreeeing to meet with you.
Companies no longer acknowledge applications, and no longer tell you when
competition closes and a candidate is chosen. Funny: with all the new technology
this stuff is increasingly easy to track, but followup is getting worse and worse.

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And HR departments wonder why so many job applicants ghost them after contact, or new hires ghost them and fail to show up on the on boarding day. Courtesy goes both ways.

Craig

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Worst job interview


@CraginS wrote:

@rslade wrote:
> emb021 (Contributor II) edited a reply in Career on 01-28-2020 10:01 AM in the

>   Frankly I find this to be pretty cr*ppy.

Over the past four decades, I have found this to be increasingly common. HR
people seem to think they are doing you a favour just agreeeing to meet with you.
Companies no longer acknowledge applications, and no longer tell you when
competition closes and a candidate is chosen. Funny: with all the new technology
this stuff is increasingly easy to track, but followup is getting worse and worse.


And HR departments wonder why so many job applicants ghost them after contact, or new hires ghost them and fail to show up on the on boarding day. Courtesy goes both ways.

 


Yes on both.

 

I've experienced multiple times the lousy behavior of HR and hiring managers.  So when I hear stories of how hard they have finding candidates, to me this behavior is a large part.  Many companies have lousy reputations, so good folks are less likely to apply to them.  Do they not understand that we tell our colleagues?  Or there are sites like Glassdoor that people can tell of their lousy experiences with specific companies?

 

On ghosting, I thought it funny/sad when HR types get bent out of shape about it.  Yet they probably overlook their ghosting of candidates.

 

Tho I do get upset when I heard of candidates who accept positions and then don't show up.  Because they've just scr*wed someone else out of a job!  That company probably turned away all the other candidates once that person accepted, and one of them could have taken the job had that person just turned it down, rather then accept and then not show.

 

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Re: Worst job interview


@emb021 wrote:

Tho I do get upset when I heard of candidates who accept positions and then don't show up.  Because they've just scr*wed someone else out of a job!  That company probably turned away all the other candidates once that person accepted, and one of them could have taken the job had that person just turned it down, rather then accept and then not show.

 


Has to be one of my biggest pet peeves. At least have the courtesy to decline so that someone else gets a chance at the job. In government sometimes once a candidate fails to show up we have to start all over again when someone does this (not all the time). I have "lost" some jobs due to budget timing because we thought we had it filled but when the applicant cancelled, there was not enough time in the budget year to fill the position and it was taken from us. Which made it harder on my team, not only did we not get a new employee but since the position was lost, the remaining people had to work harder now as the unfulfilled position's work had to be absorbed by the team. 

 

And yes people, and hiring managers do talk.

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Re: Worst job interview

My pet peeve, especially by consulting companies is the question about "How may clients will you bring with you, when you leave your current organisation?".   This gives me the solid impression, I don't want to work with you at all or you just want a sales person.

 

However, a lot of job interviews these days are screened and filtered, sorted via psychometric testing to see if you fit their culture or particular profile or circumstances.  Earlier in the discussion, someone raised the issue of AI, I see this increasingly being used either upfront where they explain you are on camera, and your voice is being captured and analysed independently, whilst you answer a standard set of questions and see how you react.   Given that their is excess of 187 different nuances i.e. body language, facial expressions, twitches and other such items, including changes in the level of your voice and where you eyes are actually looking - all give indications of whether you are lying or even suitable for that particular job role. 

 

The job interview from hell, which some have experienced, is the one whereby the interviewer will not make eye contact with you, look up or just appear to ignore you, until the point you have to do something to attract their attention. Having tried conventional means, introducing oneself, clearing the throat or walking to the door and knocking or deliberately making a noise to attract attention to no avail.    I have heard of things being prominently positioned, such as a typewriter for throwing out of an open window.  Which turns out this is exactly the reaction the interviewer wanted from you, to see how persistent you were to obtain their attention.   It all seems to be part of the psychological profiling required in some circumstances.

 

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Caute_Cautim

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Re: Worst job interview

The worst are those in which the candidate really doesn't want to be there.

 

I've done telephone interviews in which the candidate said after 5 minutes that they weren't interested in the role.  Narrow escape, we could have hired him and he not be interested.

 

The interviewees that parked on a parking meter and ask to leave to put change in the meter.

 

The interviewees that go to the wrong address, and then bitch about it when they turn up hours late.

 

The interviewees that leave the interview early as they have a flight to catch and haven't allowed enough time.

 

But my favourite was a guy who sat down in his tee shirts and ripped jeans and on being asked why he was interested in working for us, said no he wasn't he just noticed it was a nice building so wandered in!

 

 

 

 

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Re: Worst job interview


@Steve-Wilme wrote:

The worst are those in which the candidate really doesn't want to be there.

 

I've done telephone interviews in which the candidate said after 5 minutes that they weren't interested in the role.  Narrow escape, we could have hired him and he not be interested.

 

The interviewees that parked on a parking meter and ask to leave to put change in the meter.

 

The interviewees that go to the wrong address, and then bitch about it when they turn up hours late.

 

The interviewees that leave the interview early as they have a flight to catch and haven't allowed enough time.

 

But my favourite was a guy who sat down in his tee shirts and ripped jeans and on being asked why he was interested in working for us, said no he wasn't he just noticed it was a nice building so wandered in!

 


Huh?

 

If they aren't interested in the role, why interview (other then practice).  But then, if he wasn't interested in the role, hopefully if an offer had been made he would turn it done so someone else could get the role.

 

Don't get the one about wandering in.  If he didn't have a scheduled interview, how was he there?  Was this some kind of weird open call interviews?

 

As to the wrong address, that happened to me.  One company had moved some of their folks to an office building across from their HQ.  The recruiter sent me to the wrong address, but was able to get there on time.  So not my fault for being at the wrong place, and more annoyed with the recruiter then the company.

 

 

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Re: Worst job interview

To clarify, agency sets up a telephone interview with a candidate (in fact we had a few lined up) so myself and the second interviewer telephone the candidate as he's not dialed into the teleconference.  5 minutes in he says he'd told the agency that he wasn't interested in the position.  Common courtesy would suggest either the candidate or agency should have cancelled.

 

The guy wandering in off the street was to a recruitment event.  He noticed the free food and drinks, thought it a nice hotel, so he wandered in and sat down.  We asked why he was interested in a career in IT and why our company in particular.  No, just noticed the free food and booze.  It takes all sorts.

 

 

 

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Re: Worst job interview


@Steve-Wilme wrote:

To clarify, agency sets up a telephone interview with a candidate (in fact we had a few lined up) so myself and the second interviewer telephone the candidate as he's not dialed into the teleconference.  5 minutes in he says he'd told the agency that he wasn't interested in the position.  Common courtesy would suggest either the candidate or agency should have cancelled.

 

The guy wandering in off the street was to a recruitment event.  He noticed the free food and drinks, thought it a nice hotel, so he wandered in and sat down.  We asked why he was interested in a career in IT and why our company in particular.  No, just noticed the free food and booze.  It takes all sorts.

 

 

 


Story 1- Yup, both should have cancelled, certainly the candidate should have.  But could be he didn't have a way to contact you, and could only do so thru the agency?  Did he receive a meeting invite from you all to accept (or not)?  If it was setup by the agency with no way of contacting you all, that's on the agency.

 

Story 2- Yup, there are all sorts.  Weird how some people have no shame.  Saw something similar at an event we had at the local Hard Rock hotel.  We were in the conference area which is close to the bus entrance.  Thus a lot of elderly folks who are bused in pass by the area.  One of them came into the conference room area to help themselves to coffee.  When someone challenged them, they didn't stop.  Well, at least they didn't help themselves to food as well.

 

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Michael Brown, CISSP, HCISPP, CISA, CISM, CGEIT, CRISC, GSLC, GSTRT, ISSA Fellow