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RRoach
Newcomer III

Re: Job Interview

Interesting such a question came up. However one thing to consider in the future might be to have a well documented Limited Liability or Indemnity Agreement where for instance you can code to their hearts content but should anything happen because of their rush to production there is no legal recourse on their part.  Even if you would have dropped this bombshell my guess is they probably would have been dazed and confused and would have probably not have moved things further.

emb021
Contributor III

Re: Job Interview


@Steve-Wilme wrote:

Sounds like the interviewer never heard of SecDevOps.  A DevOps approach focusing on IaC and SaC, has a good potential to improve overall security posture and respond to vulnerabilities quickly.  So it's simply not a case of speed or security, but speed with security.


I thought it was DevSecOps??  🙂 

 

Then you have some DevOps wags who say security is already in it, so you don't need to talk about 'SecDevOps' or 'DevSecOps' as separate things...

 

I do have to wonder about the level of knowledge of some of the infosec 'leaders' I've met with on interviews.  I dealt with one CISO when interviewing for an infosec analyst role that would have deal heavily with third party risk management who, surprisingly to me, didn't seem to understand the different SOC reports (1,2,3, etc) nor had ever heard of Shared Assessments' SIG Report.  Sigh.  (oh, and they decided to reject me for 'better candidates'... yeah, right).

 

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Michael Brown, CISSP, HCISPP, CISA, CISM, CGEIT, CRISC, GSLC, GSTRT, ISSA Fellow
Frank_Mayer
Contributor I

Re: Job Interview

Your post is very informative.  However, I do not wish anyone luck that wants to bolt on security later and that trashes a good person like yourself, just for wanting to do what basic due care requires.  I wish you an even better opportunity later since I applaud your honesty and integrity.   We need strong laws at the international, national, state and local levels of government that make it a civil and criminal offense to do that kind of software engineering.  How is it that a totally irresponsible engineering approach is accepted?  If any avionics, automotive, or other traditional industry took that kind of approach to any other discipline other than information technology, they would get sued to the point of bankruptcy.   

 

I want to see liability lawyers start suing information technology firms like they do the medical industry, world-wide, so there is nowhere to hide, so as to stop all this nonsense.   The likely failure that will ensue in the situation you describe will be the burden of disaster placed on the unfortunate consumer of their miscreant product.  I hope that the GDPR regulators get wind of this and watch them like a hawk and when their irresponsible plan backfires that they get fined and sued out of existence.   Where is the Ralph Nader we need for the software industry?

 

Due care and due diligence is mandatory for all other professions except for application developers and hosting organizations of all these deformed applications.  It is time now for this lax state of affairs for software engineering to stop.

 

 

 

 

Respectfully,

Francis (Frank) Mayer, CISSP
Frank_Mayer
Contributor I

Re: Job Interview

We need a Ralph Nader type crusader for the software industry.  It is ridiculous that in the 21st Century that the software engineering based industries and information technology firms still operate with the buyer beware approach of the 19th century.

 

 

 

 

Respectfully,

Francis (Frank) Mayer, CISSP
RRehm
Newcomer II

Re: Job Interview

the citation is to my knowledge (also) attributed to Robert Muller, former director of the FBI

RRehm
Newcomer II

Re: Job Interview

Same once happened to me avoiding being too technical, so at the end I got the response that I wasn't technical enough. And I was applying for a strategic role on how to develop the DB solution in a more secure way.

Maybe it is just an excuse for saying I don't like you...