topic Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo in Welcome

To Kudo or not to Kudo

MikeGlassman — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 09:24:16 GMT

Kudos....

I wonder why so many of the posts I read, and sometimes respond to, have zero, yes, you read right I said ZERO kudos, even though there are responses to the posts, and responses to the responses to the posts.

I get it that there are some people who don't like the Kudo system, and that's fine, because it's no more really than the Like system on various other systems.

But, I find that if you read a post, and respond to it, or not, if the post is interesting, then simply click that Kudo button.

It tells the person who wrote the post that you appreciate them taking the time to write it.

Then, if you disagree with what was written, have a different viewpoint, or agree, you can choose whether you want to respond or not.

But come on, give the guys and gals some Kudo's.

It's just a click away.... (when they work 😉 )

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

Rossva — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:08:39 GMT

Agreed.

and kudo’d 😀

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

JKWiniger — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 14:45:14 GMT

I guess you are right! Personally, it bugs me a little how on so many of these systems like Facebook that you can like something but you can't dislike something. My guess is that allowing people to dislike would no longer make Facebook the fake little safe space where everyone likes you. I am not a big posted to begin with and posting here is my first major try and I am still getting the hang of how to do some of the things, but from not on I will take your advice and try to give more kudos when I find something interesting. I like getting them so others probably do as well!

John-

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

CraginS — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:29:50 GMT

To understand why some of us do not use kudos, or only minimally, I recommend reading

Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now

by Jaron Lanier.

and watch him talk about the content, along with otters topics, on C-SPAN

He is an amazing genius Renaissance man and the points he makes in the book are deep and worth considering.

Craig

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

AppDefects — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 01:14:09 GMT

@CraginS wrote:
To understand why some of us do not use kudos, or only minimally, I recommend reading
Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now
by Jaron Lanier.

I love Lanier's book. It should be required reading!

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

MikeGlassman — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 04:33:37 GMT

@CraginS wrote:
To understand why some of us do not use kudos, or only minimally, I recommend reading
Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now
by Jaron Lanier.
and watch him talk about the content, along with otters topics, on C-SPAN

He is an amazing genius Renaissance man and the points he makes in the book are deep and worth considering.

Craig

If so, what you are saying, is that you regard this community as a social media medium.

Yet, at the same time, you seem to make a lot of posts and responses here, so I'm sorry to say that I don't quite get it.

The book may be good, and it may have excellent points, but your response does not say why you choose (Please correct me if I am wrong) choose not to give kudos. Or why others don't.

If on the one hand you say we should delete our social media accounts, well, anyone is free to do so. but in this case, where the kudo is supposed to make the person who wrote the post, or those who answered feel that others agree and approve of what they said, I don't agree with the reference.

Then again, I can't and don't want to tell others what to do. I do it, and it interested me to know why so may people simply do not do it.

So, a simple... "I don't believe in it" would suffice. I'm not going to go read a book and try to work out the mindset of others who may have, or may have not read someones musings. As good as they may be.

I'd much rather sit back with a good historical novel, historical book, sci-fi, thriller, or talk to my daughter.

Respect.

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

rslade — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:47:24 GMT

> MikeGlassman (Contributor I) posted a new topic in Welcome on 01-12-2020 12:25

> I get it
> that there are some people who don't like the Kudo system, and that's fine,
> because it's no more really than the Like system on various other systems.

I have a real aversion to the "social media" aspect of this "community," kudoes
(and badges) being part of that. So, while I do, occasionally, kudo something, it
takes a little extra (usually a chuckle) to get me to overcome my deeply seated
aversion to kudoes and give one.

> Then, if you
> disagree with what was written, have a different viewpoint, or agree, you can
> choose whether you want to respond or not. But come on, give the guys and gals
> some Kudo's. It's just a click away.... (when they work )

The other reason that I don't kudo very much is that I use the "subscribe" and
"reply-via-email" features to do most of my stuff here (partly so I can still
pretend this is sort of like the CISSPforum). I rarely go on the site through the
Web interface, and you still can't kudo via email ...

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Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

rslade — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 20:34:33 GMT

I detailed my overall thoughts on the social media aspect of the "community" some time back ...

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

JKWiniger — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:18:45 GMT

I went and read your post and agree with it for the most part. To me I give a kudos here if I think something is meaningful and worth while, but I have nothing to add or say, kind of like nodding your head when having a real conversation as a way to let the other person know what they took the time to put out there has merit. I view this community in a very different light then any of the social media platforms because here I expect things that are posted to be relevant and meaningful in some way. I will say I am not happy that Facebook mentality seems to be creeping into Linkedin, as that is the only other place I can be found on the net.

And not sure what it says about me, but I still have a usenet account! 🙂

John-

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

CraginS — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:34:06 GMT

@MikeGlassman wrote:
@CraginS wrote:
To understand why some of us do not use kudos, or only minimally, I recommend reading
Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now
by Jaron Lanier.
and watch him talk about the content, along with otters topics, on C-SPAN

He is an amazing genius Renaissance man and the points he makes in the book are deep and worth considering.

Craig

If so, what you are saying, is that you regard this community as a social media medium.

Yet, at the same time, you seem to make a lot of posts and responses here, so I'm sorry to say that I don't quite get it.

Mike,

Yes, this forum is a social medium. However, it is not s broadly based as the more public ones like Facebook and Twitter. Since I now live where there are no chapters of any of my professional societies, i.e. (ISC)2, ISSA, INCOSE, and I am retired, so no longer have daily work colleagues, this forum allows me to have a level of professional interaction with a range of infosec pros.

For you to understand the use of this forum with minimal Kudos, you need to at least watch Jaron's C-SPAN video, or better read the book. That will introduce you Jaron's application of psychological factors to what happens in social media. The use of LIKeS or KUDOS, and when possible DISLIKES, get into the psychology which Jaron discusses.

I think you will enjoy the video, and I hope it spurs you to read the book.

Craig

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

Steve-Wilme — Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:55:25 GMT

I've used other security community platforms which didn't adopt the 'like' button and other aspects of more general social media. To be honest I prefer those. Although I suppose 'kudo' stands in for I've read your post, typed response is better.

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

AlecTrevelyan — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:42:22 GMT

If you kudo everything, effectively you kudo nothing.

With regards to kudos as a form of saying thank you, I'd much rather people actually take the time to post their thanks than kudo if they've been helped, but if you kudo as a form of thanks then that's better than nothing.

Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

rslade — Sat, 18 Jan 2020 18:53:24 GMT

> AlecTrevelyan (Community Champion) posted a new reply in Welcome on 01-18-2020

> If you kudo everything, effectively you kudo nothing.

The Zen of kudo.

(Or we could have quantum kudoes: this post is both kudoed and not kudoed ...)

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Re: To Kudo or not to Kudo

Beads — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 20:25:40 GMT

Now meta-kudos? Meta-security?

I think I need a meta-nap and dream of meta-kudos-sheep.

- b/eads