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Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

cheungtsw — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:09:12 GMT

It is not secure and it takes me more than an hour to get it to work on Firefox (had tried Chrome & Edge but never got it to work).

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

mgoblue93 — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 03:50:44 GMT

Chrome no longer supports flash:

https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/9/13903878/google-chrome-block-flash-html5

Flash is still out there because of how poorly browsers comply with what are supposed to be, ahem, standards -- I'm looking squarely at you Safari.

If you're using Edge, well, I wouldn't admit that in public.

If, and that's "if", you have the latest version of Flash, and Firefox, and it's enabled, then it shouldn't take you an hour to do anything. All you need to do is go to the site and the mobile code is loaded. What exactly are you doing that takes an hour of configuration?

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

Tim_ISC2 — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:19:12 GMT

While our platform provider Blue Sky eLearn has no plans to move away from Adobe Connect (where these webcasts are presented on), users can install a new standalone application that installs independently from the Adobe Flash Player, and outside of the Adobe Flash Player directory structure.

The new Adobe Connect application will fully remove the need for a web browser to join meetings and replaces the current Add-in experience.

You can access more information on this and the links for download here from Adobe (links for both Windows and MacOS users)

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

ResetE — Mon, 21 May 2018 17:26:21 GMT

Anything for us Linux users?

And I share the OP's horror in the fact that you choose to use Flash in 2018. I take it it's the DRM components that it relies on - but really?

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

ResetE — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 16:15:08 GMT

Another Linux user here, disapointed I can't access the content.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

Jay_Scheiner — Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:34:11 GMT

The good news is, it's September of 2019, so surely there's a better way to do this, right?

Apparently not.

Emailed blue sky tech support, they said "ask ISC"

Emailed ISC support and got the below. Seriously???

Hello,

We are constantly trying to make improvements to stay in-touch with the times. We will make adjustments accordingly in order to stay in line with website trends. Please, visit our community board for more information regarding that particular change.

Thank you,

Alexander Marengi (C)
Member Services Coordinator
(ISC)², Inc.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

rslade — Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:34:11 GMT

Isn't Flash almost single-handedly responsible for global warming?

(Followed as a close second by BitCoin mining ...)

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Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

denbesten — Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:10:43 GMT

Google says "We will remove Flash completely from Chrome toward the end of 2020."

Mozilla says "When Adobe stops shipping security updates for Flash at the end of 2020, Firefox will refuse to load the plugin."

Microsoft says "Flash will be completely removed from all browsers by December 31, 2020, via Windows Update."

Apple has hated flash for a decade and generally prohibits or sets up roadblocks for running flash, even today.

Give it another 16 months and I bet BlueSky and (ISC)² will be singing a different tune.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

Petro — Fri, 04 Oct 2019 01:41:09 GMT

Because security isn't a big concern of ISC2.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

JoePete — Sat, 05 Oct 2019 12:54:53 GMT

@cheungtsw wrote:
It is not secure and it takes me more than an hour to get it to work on Firefox (had tried Chrome & Edge but never got it to work).

Three things:

1 - Flash is going away, yes (ISC)2 is behind the times apparently

2 - There are better, standards-based alternatives (HTML 5). No excuse for not moving to it and no excuses among end users for not being able to view HTML 5 video

3 - Let's not ignore the fact that half of the problems with Flash relate to the browser and OS that Flash was running on. If Flash is "not secure" then why are we still using MS Office products given the volume of vulnerabilities over the years? If we are going to start generalizing, then let's start with the porous operating systems that turn these vulnerabilities into catastrophes. A well designed OS doesn't allow one faulty program to compromise the entire system. Otherwise, we're like the person who orders a large cheese pizza, double fries, and three bacon wrapped cheesburgers who says it's the large Coke they get with the meal that's the problem.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

Huntington — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:05:12 GMT

This would be great if installing undocumented software was OK, but in most environments, mine included, the software would have to go through a 6 month long eval process, and it's just not worth it.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

sabix — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 22:06:03 GMT

As a security association you cannot choose an new provider for content that relies on flash.

I regreat that I shared my personal informaiton with a company that has no understaning about security.

Will delete my account there, fingers crossed they'll know hat least how to do that.

Are the CPEs still submitted when watching webinars on brightalk?

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

Johnwidman — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 20:56:54 GMT

Few more weeks until Flash is EOL, I'm sure the webinars will be converted to HTML5 soon...

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

AndreaMoore — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 21:20:07 GMT

Yes, we are working with our webinar partners to address this issue and will ensure our quality webinars will be delivered securely. Stay tuned for more information.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

JoePete — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 22:03:59 GMT

@AndreaMoore wrote:
[snip] and will ensure our quality webinars will be delivered securely [/snip]

So what does this mean about the non-quality webinars ;_-)

Sorry, just a bit of semantic humor. That said, we are an industry flooded by marketing speak as it is.

For the record, Flash is a scary technology, but a large portion of its potential damage ties more broadly to social engineering, browser, and operating system vulnerabilities. If you can be duped into installing a malicious flash update, you can be duped into installing a malicious OS update. If your browser and OS inherently trust code launched by a plugin, you probably have bigger problems than just the plugin. It's nice that with HTML5 we've reached an ebbing in the need for media plugins. That said it's not like Flash was the only thing people ever added to their browsers. In the app-driven mentality of the population today, kids are conditioned from an early age to point, click, download, and install all while clicking OK to any prompt or agreement.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

Budoka — Fri, 04 Dec 2020 22:17:29 GMT

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents. This is exactly why to date I haven't been using any of the 3rd party webinars. And quite frankly was shocked by the use of Flash. Glad to see I wasn't the only one.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

Petro — Sat, 05 Dec 2020 03:20:56 GMT

@AndreaMoore:

THIS thread is 14 or 15 months old.

We've known for what, 2 or 3 years that Flash was going away?

It's *always* been a security issue.

But *NOW* you're working on it?

There's these people out there called "Computer Information Systems Security Professionals". You should see if you can find some to help you secure your systems.

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

SunilKumar — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 05:14:01 GMT

I believe whole world already knew that flash is going to die by end of 2020 for many years but still no efforts were made for alternate solution. This will be on of the Best Example (Worst on Security pro) on how to ignore the security risk, and that too by an Organization who teaches security to the whole world. Amazing

Re: Honestly, why are we still using flash in e-Symposium?

caseytan2000 — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:10:24 GMT

Can you share how to get it to work on firefox after install adobe connect?
I installed AC and launched it....the message of meeting input pops up. Stuck here.
FYI, Flash player already un-installed on my mac.