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    <title>topic Re: Hey, Google, why are your contractors listening to me? in Tech Talk</title>
    <link>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Tech-Talk/Hey-Google-why-are-your-contractors-listening-to-me/m-p/25218#M1516</link>
    <description>One of the kids uses Siri. Another uses Alexa. My baby brother uses "Hey&lt;BR /&gt;Google" on his Android phone. (His eyes are going, and I'm a bit jealous because I&lt;BR /&gt;really *hate* those soft keyboards ...)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Way back when PDAs (remember them?) first started to become a "thing," I&lt;BR /&gt;predicted that they wouldn't be big until they could talk (and listen) to us. What I&lt;BR /&gt;did *not* foresee was that the heavy lifting in the listening department would be&lt;BR /&gt;done by giant servers at the corporate end, and that, therefore, all of our&lt;BR /&gt;interactions with the devices would be accessible to giant enterprises that would&lt;BR /&gt;mine all of our conversations in a way that makes "big data" look like a little&lt;BR /&gt;black book.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I don't use Siri or Cortana or Hey Google, and, whenever one of them switches on&lt;BR /&gt;I turn it off. My TV is cheap enough that it doesn't have a camera or a&lt;BR /&gt;microphone. I don't have on of those cylinders or pucks that turns on your lights&lt;BR /&gt;because I don't have smart light bulbs. We don't have to have constant "tunes" or&lt;BR /&gt;"playlists" playing in the house. (This actually leaves Gloria and I free to talk to&lt;BR /&gt;each other, something that we apparently do much more than most people.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;My extremely old car does have a computer in it, but it only talks to the service&lt;BR /&gt;department (and then only when I bring it in). We drive little enough, now, that,&lt;BR /&gt;by the time I have to replace it, I may be able to simply get rid of it and use taxis.&lt;BR /&gt;(Yes, taxis. I know some of you *love* ride-sharing, but I still see too many&lt;BR /&gt;problems with it to go that route. Besides, for most of my transport-related&lt;BR /&gt;problems, I see very few issues that the 210 bus doesn't solve.) So I probably&lt;BR /&gt;won't have to get used to a self-driving car, that's talking with every other car on&lt;BR /&gt;the road (*and* the manufacturer, *and* my insurer, *and* the local police). (As&lt;BR /&gt;much as I hate machines that think they are smarter than I am, I do believe we&lt;BR /&gt;should get the self-driving cars on the road as quickly as possible, because, for all&lt;BR /&gt;the "this car killed it's driver" anecdotes, they already drive better than we do, and&lt;BR /&gt;it would, even now, save lives.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;This may sound funny, as I'm writing this on a computer, and I'm surrounded by&lt;BR /&gt;three more computers and another three "devices." But, as the joke has it, I'm&lt;BR /&gt;not going to worry about all my computers ganging up on me until the computer&lt;BR /&gt;actually starts reliably talking to the printer that's right beside it. I still have to&lt;BR /&gt;reboot my cable modem (and sometimes short out the coax cable) to get the&lt;BR /&gt;Internet back at times, and I still have to power cycle the spiffy new PVR the&lt;BR /&gt;cable company gave me to fix problems with the old one.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;It's not the computers that scare me, it's the companies. Facebook, of course, has&lt;BR /&gt;amply demonstrated that it cares nothing about its users. Google scared me,&lt;BR /&gt;intially, with the masses of information it collected, but, over the years, the "don't&lt;BR /&gt;be evil" mantra seemed to work out. Recently, though, Google has demonstrated&lt;BR /&gt;some very worrying tendencies. Apple has always wanted to lock you into their&lt;BR /&gt;world, but hasn't seemed to care for much beyond getting you. Microsoft, of&lt;BR /&gt;course, was always the big evil empire, but lately isn't quite so ... big.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;And, no, thanks, I *don't* want the government to take over and regulate&lt;BR /&gt;everything in sight. I started out in malware research, and watched various&lt;BR /&gt;governments make bone-headed decisions about creating laws just to try and make&lt;BR /&gt;viruses illegal. Governments are having a tough enough time (and taking a long&lt;BR /&gt;time) to get "sufficient" regulation to reign in some of the corporate excesses.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We have a lot of things to learn about privacy and security, and constant vigilance&lt;BR /&gt;is the price of et cetera, et cetera. We are going to have to struggle through, and&lt;BR /&gt;it will be a lot of work, and it means we have to pay attention to a lot of stuff&lt;BR /&gt;going on.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Welcome to security.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)&lt;BR /&gt;rslade@vcn.bc.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca rslade@computercrime.org&lt;BR /&gt;Politics, at the highest level, is the reconciliation of conflict&lt;BR /&gt;- Preston Manning at Regent College, 20120125&lt;BR /&gt;victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm &lt;A href="http://twitter.com/rslade" target="_blank"&gt;http://twitter.com/rslade&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/" target="_blank"&gt;http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://is.gd/RotlWB" target="_blank"&gt;https://is.gd/RotlWB&lt;/A&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:23:39 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>rslade</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-07-12T19:23:39Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Hey, Google, why are your contractors listening to me?</title>
      <link>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Tech-Talk/Hey-Google-why-are-your-contractors-listening-to-me/m-p/25202#M1511</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Google's &lt;A href="https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/07/12/hey-google-why-are-your-contractors-listening-to-me/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;dirty little secret&lt;/A&gt; is that they use contractors to transcribe what Google Hub hears so that they can "improve Google services". When asked for a response they said:&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;Yes, we’re listening. Just a little.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:05:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Tech-Talk/Hey-Google-why-are-your-contractors-listening-to-me/m-p/25202#M1511</guid>
      <dc:creator>AppDefects</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-07-12T17:05:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Hey, Google, why are your contractors listening to me?</title>
      <link>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Tech-Talk/Hey-Google-why-are-your-contractors-listening-to-me/m-p/25218#M1516</link>
      <description>One of the kids uses Siri. Another uses Alexa. My baby brother uses "Hey&lt;BR /&gt;Google" on his Android phone. (His eyes are going, and I'm a bit jealous because I&lt;BR /&gt;really *hate* those soft keyboards ...)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Way back when PDAs (remember them?) first started to become a "thing," I&lt;BR /&gt;predicted that they wouldn't be big until they could talk (and listen) to us. What I&lt;BR /&gt;did *not* foresee was that the heavy lifting in the listening department would be&lt;BR /&gt;done by giant servers at the corporate end, and that, therefore, all of our&lt;BR /&gt;interactions with the devices would be accessible to giant enterprises that would&lt;BR /&gt;mine all of our conversations in a way that makes "big data" look like a little&lt;BR /&gt;black book.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I don't use Siri or Cortana or Hey Google, and, whenever one of them switches on&lt;BR /&gt;I turn it off. My TV is cheap enough that it doesn't have a camera or a&lt;BR /&gt;microphone. I don't have on of those cylinders or pucks that turns on your lights&lt;BR /&gt;because I don't have smart light bulbs. We don't have to have constant "tunes" or&lt;BR /&gt;"playlists" playing in the house. (This actually leaves Gloria and I free to talk to&lt;BR /&gt;each other, something that we apparently do much more than most people.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;My extremely old car does have a computer in it, but it only talks to the service&lt;BR /&gt;department (and then only when I bring it in). We drive little enough, now, that,&lt;BR /&gt;by the time I have to replace it, I may be able to simply get rid of it and use taxis.&lt;BR /&gt;(Yes, taxis. I know some of you *love* ride-sharing, but I still see too many&lt;BR /&gt;problems with it to go that route. Besides, for most of my transport-related&lt;BR /&gt;problems, I see very few issues that the 210 bus doesn't solve.) So I probably&lt;BR /&gt;won't have to get used to a self-driving car, that's talking with every other car on&lt;BR /&gt;the road (*and* the manufacturer, *and* my insurer, *and* the local police). (As&lt;BR /&gt;much as I hate machines that think they are smarter than I am, I do believe we&lt;BR /&gt;should get the self-driving cars on the road as quickly as possible, because, for all&lt;BR /&gt;the "this car killed it's driver" anecdotes, they already drive better than we do, and&lt;BR /&gt;it would, even now, save lives.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;This may sound funny, as I'm writing this on a computer, and I'm surrounded by&lt;BR /&gt;three more computers and another three "devices." But, as the joke has it, I'm&lt;BR /&gt;not going to worry about all my computers ganging up on me until the computer&lt;BR /&gt;actually starts reliably talking to the printer that's right beside it. I still have to&lt;BR /&gt;reboot my cable modem (and sometimes short out the coax cable) to get the&lt;BR /&gt;Internet back at times, and I still have to power cycle the spiffy new PVR the&lt;BR /&gt;cable company gave me to fix problems with the old one.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;It's not the computers that scare me, it's the companies. Facebook, of course, has&lt;BR /&gt;amply demonstrated that it cares nothing about its users. Google scared me,&lt;BR /&gt;intially, with the masses of information it collected, but, over the years, the "don't&lt;BR /&gt;be evil" mantra seemed to work out. Recently, though, Google has demonstrated&lt;BR /&gt;some very worrying tendencies. Apple has always wanted to lock you into their&lt;BR /&gt;world, but hasn't seemed to care for much beyond getting you. Microsoft, of&lt;BR /&gt;course, was always the big evil empire, but lately isn't quite so ... big.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;And, no, thanks, I *don't* want the government to take over and regulate&lt;BR /&gt;everything in sight. I started out in malware research, and watched various&lt;BR /&gt;governments make bone-headed decisions about creating laws just to try and make&lt;BR /&gt;viruses illegal. Governments are having a tough enough time (and taking a long&lt;BR /&gt;time) to get "sufficient" regulation to reign in some of the corporate excesses.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We have a lot of things to learn about privacy and security, and constant vigilance&lt;BR /&gt;is the price of et cetera, et cetera. We are going to have to struggle through, and&lt;BR /&gt;it will be a lot of work, and it means we have to pay attention to a lot of stuff&lt;BR /&gt;going on.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Welcome to security.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)&lt;BR /&gt;rslade@vcn.bc.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca rslade@computercrime.org&lt;BR /&gt;Politics, at the highest level, is the reconciliation of conflict&lt;BR /&gt;- Preston Manning at Regent College, 20120125&lt;BR /&gt;victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm &lt;A href="http://twitter.com/rslade" target="_blank"&gt;http://twitter.com/rslade&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/" target="_blank"&gt;http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://is.gd/RotlWB" target="_blank"&gt;https://is.gd/RotlWB&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:23:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Tech-Talk/Hey-Google-why-are-your-contractors-listening-to-me/m-p/25218#M1516</guid>
      <dc:creator>rslade</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-07-12T19:23:39Z</dc:date>
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