https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/40259#M5019 <P>Learned helplessness, depression, and poor pandemic processing</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>A few days ago, in a news report about some aspect of the pandemic, someone used the phrase "learned helplessness."&nbsp; I immediately flashed back to a paper I wrote in university, and a number of problematic aspects of the current CoVID crisis came into much clearer focus.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Learned helplessness is the theory, posited by Martin Seligman and others, that "teaching" subjects that they are helpless; that nothing the subject can do will change their current situation; produces a condition which is indistinguishable from depression.&nbsp; Seligman is not without his critics: I vividly recall one such who wrote that Seligman's experiments were invalid because the brain chemistry of "learned helplessness" subjects was the same as that of depressives, which <STRONG>I</STRONG> felt probably proved Seligman's central thesis.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>The learned helplessness theory was experimentally tested in a variety of ways, with both human and animal subjects.&nbsp; One rather intriguing experiment found that punishment was not necessary to create learned helplessness and depression.&nbsp; Random rewards, independent of any action on the part of the subject, could also produce depression, and this factor might explain the high rates of suicide (and the slow suicide by drug use, alcohol, and similar poor life choices) among celebrities and socialites.&nbsp; Random reward in other experiments has demonstrated "superstitious learning," and may relate to some of the weird theories about the CoVID-19 pandemic that have sprung up.&nbsp; But perhaps I am getting ahead of myself.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I have suffered from depression for over half a century.&nbsp; It was probably what sparked my interest in learned helplessness in the first place.&nbsp; I have studied it both from the inside and the outside, and there are a number of aspects and factors that are likely beneficial in our consideration of the current pandemic and crisis.&nbsp; We are faced with a situation where a large number of people, some for the first time in their lives, have learned that they are helpless.&nbsp; It is affecting how they face the disaster, and it has implications for presenting solutions. This has implications not only for the current pandemic, and disasters in general, but for a number of situations in security.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>In "Cybersecurity Lessons from CoVID-19" I did briefly discuss the fact that uncertainty makes people less likely to try new solutions.&nbsp; This is a very strong characteristic of depression, and of learned helplessness.&nbsp; Depression has a very strong, and highly negative, impact on learning itself.&nbsp; Depression makes you feel tired, it interferes with focus, it makes your thinking feel sluggish.&nbsp; All of these factors, of course, mean it is difficult to formulate new thoughts or new courses of action to try.&nbsp; But, even if a new action is presented by someone else, "learned helplessness" strongly suggests (to the subject or patient) that, whatever the new idea is, it won't work.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>We have seen this in regard to the "rules" of preventing infection, and the unwillingness, in many parts of the population, to follow them.&nbsp; "Wash your hands."&nbsp; Oh, it can't be that simple!&nbsp; (Well, it isn't that simple, but it is easy, and a good first step.)&nbsp; "Avoid groups."&nbsp; Oh, I need an exact number of people to define as a group!&nbsp; (Well, the more people the riskier.&nbsp; And, if that is too hard for you to figure out, 42.)&nbsp; "Wear masks."&nbsp; Oh, there are all kinds of reasons why masks don't work!&nbsp; (Well, masks aren't perfect.&nbsp; But if you won't avoid groups, at least wear a mask.)&nbsp; And, it is quite true, the fact that none of these "rules" guarantees perfect protection makes for uncertainty, and less willingness for people to try (and stick to) any of them.&nbsp; We also need to explain layered defence and defence in depth, and the situations in which each rule is most important, and all of these extra pieces of information add extra uncertainty, and ...</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>(We, in security, do see this over and over again.&nbsp; Security is poorly understood, and people are uncertain about it, so, even when we present the threat, and the countermeasure to take, people, and employees, and managers, and whole enterprises, often do the very worst thing they can in the situation: nothing.)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>One of the central results that came out of the learned helplessness experiments was that one of the primary ways to reduce learned helplessness in subjects was to "force" the subject to succeed.&nbsp; That is, to force the subject, sometimes physically, to take an action that would avoid a punishment or obtain a reward.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>This is fairly easy to do with a rat or a dog, more problematic with human subjects, and much, much more difficult to get right when you are dealing with a large population in a democracy in the middle of a pandemic.&nbsp; (Autocratic governments probably have a much easier time of it.)&nbsp; But one way to work towards it is to get people to do something; pretty much *anything*.&nbsp; This is why I included, in the introduction to the book, my advice to Martin about whether retired doctors should go back into front line medicine.&nbsp; I suggested a number of alternative actions that did something helpful, but didn't involve direct exposure to potentially infected patients.&nbsp; (I followed it up with another article directed at those who might not have access to a lot of medical supplies.&nbsp; That article wasn't the best thing I ever wrote, and it didn't make it into the book, but at least I was doing <STRONG>something</STRONG>.)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>(In terms of "forcing" people to succeed, I reiterate my admiration for the position of Dr. Bonnie Henry.&nbsp; Attacking people just makes them fixate.&nbsp; [This is also something learned helplessness theory supports.]&nbsp; Be kind, educate, provide guidelines, and support people in getting through their normal activities.&nbsp; Remember social engineering: you catch more flies [or murder hornets] with honey than with vinegar.)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Following any natural or manmade disaster, the news crews roll in and start filming crowds of victims who are just sitting around.&nbsp; They have learned that they are helpless.&nbsp; They certainly look depressed.&nbsp; Some of them do just lie down and die.&nbsp; But, in most cases, shortly something else starts happening.&nbsp; People start to do something, even if it is just to start gathering debris into piles.&nbsp; They are succeeding, even if only at clearing garbage from a small area.&nbsp; Then they start succeeding at salvaging.&nbsp; And, successively, at rebuilding and starting over.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>People are finding ways to live with the pandemic.&nbsp; Meetings have to be done differently.&nbsp; Parties have to be done differently.&nbsp; Entertainment has to be done differently.&nbsp; Some of these new ways are remarkably silly.&nbsp; But, unless they are actually dangerous, it is probably best to celebrate and support these bits of the "new normal" in any way we can, any time we can.&nbsp; Any "success" should be supported, because it will lead to other successes, and those other successes may be more important.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Let's go back to random rewards and superstitious learning.&nbsp; When faced with a situation where there is no correlation between the subject's actions and a reward, subjects often seem to "learn" a correlation that doesn't exist.&nbsp; (This false learning may be abetted by the learning and cognitive impairment from depression and learned helplessness that we discussed earlier.)&nbsp; We see this in animal behavioural trials, and also in situations like professional sports and entertainment (with all kinds of "lucky" clothing, totems, and rituals), and now in pandemic "cures."&nbsp; Hydroxychloroquine and oleandrin have been touted as cures on the basis of evidence so flimsy it is almost non-existent.&nbsp; Remdesivir seems to be seen as a miracle cure, even though the studies that have shown it to reduce hospital stays and mortality have demonstrated a limited improvement at best, and the largest recent study showed no significant difference at all.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure ayurvedic cures have no benefit, and gargling with bleach is just flat out dangerous, but all of these have their devotees.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Trying to address superstitious beliefs about CoVID-19 cures will likely be even more problematic.&nbsp; The theory of learned helplessness would seem to indicate that we need to force people into correct thinking, but the truism that "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still" is very old, and very, very strong.&nbsp; About all we can do here is to fall back on what security awareness training demonstrates over and over again: repetition, repetition, repetition.&nbsp; Keep driving the truth.&nbsp; Eventually it will get home.&nbsp; (This is borne out by the Spanish Flu pandemic.&nbsp; In 1919 there were the same anti-mask protests that we are seeing today.&nbsp; Eventually they just died out.)&nbsp; (This may have been because anti-maskers died out, but I doubt Darwin works that fast ...)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Decades of experience with depression seem to indicate that depressives should take as a motto the meme that "if you are going through heck [drat you, <A href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/Community-Champions-Group/Can-we-get-rid-of-the-stupid-pr0n-filter-Please/m-p/19105" target="_blank" rel="noopener">pr0n filter</A>], keep going."&nbsp; Learned helplessness theory teaches the same thing.&nbsp; Keep moving, keep doing something, keep on.&nbsp; It is a lesson for all of us in the midst of a disaster.&nbsp; It is particularly a lesson for those newly "helpless."&nbsp; But it is also, very strongly, a lesson for those of us who are working in the face of trials, delays, setbacks, surges, second waves, and mounting case and death counts.&nbsp; And it is definitely a rallying cry for those of us fighting the integrity battle against the misinformation and disinformation that is so widely promulgated during this pandemic.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Now, go and do something successful. Even if it’s only washing your hands.</P> Mon, 26 Oct 2020 18:12:29 GMT rslade 2020-10-26T18:12:29Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33651#M4125 <P>For some reason, on the <A href="https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Johns Hopkins CoVID-19 dashboard</A>, Canada, as a country, has disappeared.&nbsp; (If you switch to the province/state/dependency mode, the individual provinces with infections still show up.)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>This is disturbing, for someone who lives there ...</P> Mon, 09 Oct 2023 09:28:22 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33651#M4125 rslade 2023-10-09T09:28:22Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33653#M4126 <P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-center" image-alt="Weinermobile and covid19.PNG" style="width: 587px;"><img src="https://community.isc2.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3888i6E21D1FEF9C15C99/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;px=999" role="button" title="Weinermobile and covid19.PNG" alt="Weinermobile and covid19.PNG" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P> Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:29:16 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33653#M4126 rslade 2020-03-13T19:29:16Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33658#M4127 <P>Their map is here:&nbsp;&nbsp;<A href="https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html" target="_blank">https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html</A></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Also, there is a note that the map is undergoing maintenance</P> Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:50:01 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33658#M4127 emb021 2020-03-13T20:50:01Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33661#M4128 <BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1324864413">@rslade</a>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P>For some reason, on the <A href="https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Johns Hopkins CoVID-19 dashboard</A>, Canada, as a country, has disappeared.&nbsp; (If you switch to the province/state/dependency mode, the individual provinces with infections still show up.)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>This is disturbing, for someone who lives there ...</P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P><a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1324864413">@rslade</a></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Rob,</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Quiet, if no one knows we exist maybe the virus will miss us LOL&nbsp; after all , the American news has done a good job showing that the weather stops at the border for years......</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>d</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P> Fri, 13 Mar 2020 22:57:26 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33661#M4128 dcontesti 2020-03-13T22:57:26Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33664#M4129 <P><a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/715155969">@dcontesti</a>&nbsp;<a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1324864413">@rslade</a>&nbsp;<a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1590936133">@emb021</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; Hey guys I have news for you, invisibility will not save your bacon.&nbsp; In fact, you are probably inviting more trouble than you want.&nbsp; Best to be visible up front and fully aware, given the current circumstances.&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>"From midnight Sunday, everyone arriving in New Zealand will have to isolate themselves for 14 days, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">The tighter border controls were&nbsp;announced during an update by the prime minister on New Zealand's response to the&nbsp;<A title="" href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119880957/symptoms-vaccines-travel-advice-what-kiwis-need-to-know-about-coronavirus" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Covid-19 outbreak</A>&nbsp;on Saturday afternoon. She said while it is not realistic for New Zealand to only have a handful of coronavirus cases,&nbsp;the changes would slow the spread of infection."</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">"Every person entering New Zealand from anywhere in the world will be required to self-isolate for 14 days, excluding the Pacific.&nbsp;These restrictions will all be reviewed in 16 days' time.</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">* The existing travel ban&nbsp;for China and Iran will continue</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">*&nbsp;Cruise ships banned from coming to New Zealand, until at least June 30, 2020</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">*&nbsp;Strict new health measures at the border for people departing to the Pacific</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">* Measures to help&nbsp;those in self-isolation to be announced next week</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">*&nbsp;Government will work closely with the aviation sector to encourage airlines to remain active in New Zealand, limiting the&nbsp;impacts on the tourism sector and exporters</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">*&nbsp;There will be a directive on mass gatherings announced early next week'</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">Me, I am just fortunate I live on an Island in the Harauki Gulf, where we have to be resilient for at least 7 days before the mainland even come to the rescue.&nbsp; It's called self-quarantine, without realising it.</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">As President off the local Chapter, I am looking towards digital streaming for members to keep CPE points up and running, as this situation deepens.</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph"><A href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120279430/coronavirus-prime-minister-updates-nz-on-covid19-outbreak" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120279430/coronavirus-prime-minister-updates-nz-on-covid19-outbreak</A></P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">We are the gateway to the Pacific Islands, and we know they have inadequate health &amp; care facilities.</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">Button everyone and keep both yourselves and families safe and well.</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">Regards</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">Caute_cautim</P> Sat, 14 Mar 2020 06:05:59 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33664#M4129 Caute_cautim 2020-03-14T06:05:59Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33667#M4131 <BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/809125741">@Caute_cautim</a>&nbsp;wrote:<BR /><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">As President off the local Chapter, I am looking towards digital streaming for members to keep CPE points up and running, as this situation deepens.</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph">&nbsp;</P><P class="sics-component__html-injector sics-component__story__paragraph"><A href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120279430/coronavirus-prime-minister-updates-nz-on-covid19-outbreak" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120279430/coronavirus-prime-minister-updates-nz-on-covid19-outbreak</A></P><HR /></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, if you can set something up, I have a presentation on homomorphic encryption that <STRONG>didn't</STRONG> get delivered to Vancouver Chapter, Vancouver Security SIG, and BSides Vancouver because of the virus ...</P> Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:15:23 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33667#M4131 rslade 2020-03-14T15:15:23Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33668#M4132 <P>The <A href="https://twitter.com/Fourteen_Days_" target="_blank" rel="noopener">lighter side of the apocalypse</A> ...</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>(I particularly like <A href="https://twitter.com/Fourteen_Days_/status/1238543914069614595" target="_blank" rel="noopener">this one</A> ...)</P> Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:20:11 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33668#M4132 rslade 2020-03-14T15:20:11Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33669#M4133 <P>During the virus crisis, if you must go out, note that you might get coughed on or sneezed on, and, since disinfecting fabric is much more difficult than cleaning flat surfaces, you should wear older clothing that can be discarded if necessary.&nbsp; (If you have old torn clothing that will not be missed, this is probably best.)&nbsp; Since face masks are in short supply, a scarf worn over the mouth, nose, and lower part of the face may offer some protection.&nbsp; If you <STRONG>are</STRONG> infected, and must go out for some reason, take a staff to aid you in walking, should you be overcome with respiratory distress and need something to lean on.&nbsp; Best to have bells hanging from the top to summon aid if needed.&nbsp; As you go, it is best to give some verbal warning to others not to come into close contact.&nbsp; Since some you may encounter may not be proficient in English, it is probably a good idea to constantly call out something simple, such as, "Unclean!&nbsp; Unclean!"</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>(This is not meant to make fun of anyone who actually <STRONG>has</STRONG> Hansen's Disease ...)</P> Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:37:24 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33669#M4133 rslade 2020-03-14T16:37:24Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33671#M4134 <P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-center" image-alt="keep calm wash hands.jpg" style="width: 500px;"><img src="https://community.isc2.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3889iBD3870917644C4A0/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;px=999" role="button" title="keep calm wash hands.jpg" alt="keep calm wash hands.jpg" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P> Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:30:04 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33671#M4134 rslade 2020-03-14T17:30:04Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33674#M4136 <P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-center" image-alt="ETE0A8pXgAAgF0W" style="width: 632px;"><img src="https://community.isc2.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3890i77C5C989CC38C705/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;px=999" role="button" title="ETE0A8pXgAAgF0W" alt="ETE0A8pXgAAgF0W" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P> Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:59:22 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33674#M4136 rslade 2020-03-14T17:59:22Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33675#M4137 <P><A href="https://twitter.com/thejuicemedia/status/1238667841655541760" target="_blank" rel="noopener">It</A>'s rude, but it makes some cogent points ...</P> Sat, 14 Mar 2020 18:42:35 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33675#M4137 rslade 2020-03-14T18:42:35Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33684#M4138 <P>Attention shoppers. Since we have restocked on toilet paper and paper towels, today's panic buys are soup, "snack" crackers, and the most expensive brands of bread on the shelves. (These are also the brands with the shortest shelf life.)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Since I shop daily, I've been tracking what the "panic buys" are pretty much daily. It's kind of interesting to see how group psychology moves through the herd ...</P> Mon, 16 Mar 2020 17:25:36 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33684#M4138 rslade 2020-03-16T17:25:36Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33697#M4141 <P>Our cities aren't exactly structured so that we can sing together, like Italy, or applaud first responders, like Spain, but we can set up or find ways to help out our neighbours who may be in difficulty.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Find something nice you can do for a doctor, nurse, first responder, or emergency management worker. They may be a bit busy later on.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>When setting up, or looking for, social media contacts to find people to help during the crisis, remember that those most at risk, the elderly, may not use social media. If you have elderly friends and/or family you might, with their permission, submit their names to those help systems.</P> Mon, 16 Mar 2020 17:14:23 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33697#M4141 rslade 2020-03-16T17:14:23Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33700#M4143 <P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-center" image-alt="Covid19 and TP.png" style="width: 780px;"><img src="https://community.isc2.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3891i992B2C2030749B51/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;px=999" role="button" title="Covid19 and TP.png" alt="Covid19 and TP.png" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P> Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:06:37 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33700#M4143 rslade 2020-03-16T18:06:37Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33704#M4144 <P>OK, this is cute.&nbsp; My brother alerted me to "<A href="https://washyourlyrics.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Wash Your Lyrics</A>."&nbsp; It allows you to create a handwashing directions poster based on any song lyrics you want.&nbsp; You're not just stuck with "Happy Birthday" twice over.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Impressive catalogue.&nbsp; I tried it with "The Biplane (Evermore)" by the Irish Rovers, which is not exactly a current Top Forty hit, and it still found it:</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-center" image-alt="Biplane Evermore CoVID19 handwash.png" style="width: 703px;"><img src="https://community.isc2.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3892i2FDD16AE02C6C29E/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;px=999" role="button" title="Biplane Evermore CoVID19 handwash.png" alt="Biplane Evermore CoVID19 handwash.png" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P> Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:21:39 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33704#M4144 rslade 2020-03-16T18:21:39Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33714#M4150 <P>So, first it was toilet paper. And then it was beans.&nbsp; (Probably bought up by people who never <STRONG>eat</STRONG> beans ...)&nbsp; Then there were suspicious holes in the shelves in the cereal aisle.&nbsp; Then ...</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Well, you get the picture.&nbsp; So I've started to, well, document the daily "idiot's panic buy."</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Today it was meat.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-center" image-alt="ETQ6jJhXgAIgdGW" style="width: 999px;"><img src="https://community.isc2.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3893i946FA08437A267FC/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;px=999" role="button" title="ETQ6jJhXgAIgdGW" alt="ETQ6jJhXgAIgdGW" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Now, that may not look bare in comparison to some empty shelves you've seen on the news, but, believe me, compared to how it's usually stocked, there's been a run.&nbsp; (I suppose I live in a carnivorous neighborhood.)</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>But that's not the end of the story.&nbsp; One of the staff saw me take the picture.&nbsp; And told me I wasn't allowed to take pictures.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Oh, come on.&nbsp; I'm not allowed to take any pictures in their store?&nbsp; I'm not allowed to take pictures of my grandkids, when they are shopping with me?&nbsp; I'm not allowed to take a picture of a shelf full of almost identical products and send it to Gloria so she can tell me which one is the <STRONG>only</STRONG> one I'm allowed to buy?&nbsp; What's he going to do, call the picture police and have them confiscate my non-film (since it's on my phone)?&nbsp; Obviously, we have the world's second stupidest store manager running our grocery.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>And if they are worried that taking pictures in their store will lead to panic buying--Look, tosh.&nbsp; That particular equine bolted from the stable a <FONT size="6" color="#FF0000">loooonnnnnng</FONT> time ago.</P> Mon, 16 Mar 2020 23:18:36 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33714#M4150 rslade 2020-03-16T23:18:36Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33715#M4151 <P><a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1324864413">@rslade</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Obviously meat has its own privacy.&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess the store manager, thought you were a secret shopper, testing their service and pricing regime.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Regards</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Caute_cautim</P> Mon, 16 Mar 2020 23:24:11 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33715#M4151 Caute_cautim 2020-03-16T23:24:11Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33737#M4155 &gt; Caute_cautim (Community Champion) mentioned you in a post! Join the conversation<BR /><BR />&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Obviously meat has its own privacy.<BR /><BR />This cow is dead. It is an ex-cow. It has joined the herd invisible ...<BR /><BR />====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)<BR />rslade@vcn.bc.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca rslade@computercrime.org<BR />On hearing a good line from the painter James McNeill Whistler<BR />Oscar Wilde: How I wish I had said that.<BR />Whistler's response: You will, Oscar, you will.<BR />victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm <A href="http://twitter.com/rslade" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/rslade</A><BR /><A href="http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/" target="_blank">http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/</A><BR /><A href="https://is.gd/RotlWB" target="_blank">https://is.gd/RotlWB</A> Tue, 17 Mar 2020 17:30:37 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33737#M4155 rslade 2020-03-17T17:30:37Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33747#M4157 <P>Today's idiot panic buy is:</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-center" image-alt="ETWGBBLUcAAIBdt" style="width: 999px;"><img src="https://community.isc2.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/3894i28C6B0B4E7DEF08C/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;px=999" role="button" title="ETWGBBLUcAAIBdt" alt="ETWGBBLUcAAIBdt" /></span></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>... potatoes?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Look, the potato is a noble animal.&nbsp; Yes, the potato famine was a bad thing, but only because the population of Ireland had previously exploded to ten times normal because of the nutritional benefits of potatoes.&nbsp; And potatoes do keep for a long time.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>But you aren't going to eat them, are you?&nbsp; You don't eat potatoes.&nbsp; And you won't eat potatoes after the panic is over.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Because potatoes have <U><STRONG>CARBS</STRONG></U>!!&nbsp; Carbs are evil!&nbsp; (At least in your tiny little idiot hoarder mindset.)</P> Tue, 17 Mar 2020 23:10:05 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33747#M4157 rslade 2020-03-17T23:10:05Z https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33748#M4158 <P><a href="https://community.isc2.org/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/1324864413">@rslade</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well if you think that was crazy, look at what happened in Australia:</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P><A href="https://www.itnews.com.au/news/inside-woolworths-coles-online-delivery-shut-down-539491?eid=3&amp;edate=20200318&amp;utm_source=20200318_PM&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=daily_newsletter" target="_blank">https://www.itnews.com.au/news/inside-woolworths-coles-online-delivery-shut-down-539491?eid=3&amp;edate=20200318&amp;utm_source=20200318_PM&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=daily_newsletter</A></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Regards</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Caute_cautim</P> Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:06:05 GMT https://community.isc2.org/t5/Industry-News/OK-now-we-re-in-trouble/m-p/33748#M4158 Caute_cautim 2020-03-18T03:06:05Z