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COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

rslade — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 09:27:35 GMT

Toilet paper? Really?

Of course, I've seen the news stories showing streams of shoppers with carts full of toilet paper. The news stories all showed Costco, so I was hoping that maybe it was only Costco members who were that stupid. But, no. On my way home last night I stopped for some groceries and the toilet paper aisle in my local Save-On was pretty bare. (Not, fortunately, completely denuded, so my neighbours aren't completely deluded.) (And, if you're looking, the Safeway had a decent stock, albeit with some bare sections.)

Hoarding is a particularly insidious threat. It's hard to protect against. Unless you're going to ration, how do you tell people what (and how much) they can and cannot buy? (Yes, I know. Rationing smacks of socialism, or some other type of non-or-anti-capitalist system. But hoarding is the inherent weakness of capitalism: unrestricted, capitalism tends to concentrate capital, which then becomes useless.) Now, we are not only faced with the coronavirus, but with the COVID-19 toilet paper meme virus. People see that there is a run on, or shortage of, toilet paper, so they run out and drive around (wasting gas) trying to buy toilet paper. Creating a shortage of toilet paper.

(It's particularly galling here in BC. We have trees. We make toilet paper. By the ton.)

Why toilet paper? I mean, I defer to no one in my admiration for the stuff. It is one of the marvels of the modern age. (Toilet paper, and the Internet.) It has lots of uses besides that originally intended. But it has no magical medicinal properties.

Yes, I know. We, in the emergency management field, have been trying, for years, to get people to build emergency prep kits. Have enough supplies to tide you over for three days. Or seven days. Or, in this case, two weeks. Fine. I get it. But do you know how much toilet paper you use in two weeks? You don't need to clear out stores.

(I have noticed gaps in the canned beans section, and also in the soup aisle. Although, for some reason, Campbell's Chunky soups are completely stocked. Personally, I like chunky soups ...)

And, if you are going to build an emergency prep kit, during an emergency is not the time to do it. You have to put some thought into it. How much toilet paper do you use in a week? How much soup do you eat in a week? Do you eat soup? Yes, I advise you to build an emergency prep kit. But build one. Don't just rush out and buy toilet paper.

Besides, COVID-19 is not going to be the type of "stock up on water and canned beans" type of regional disaster. You will still be able to get Amazon to deliver toilet paper to you if you get sick and have absolutely no friends in all the world to take care of you. (They may want to drop it and run, and you may have to keep watch on your Ring-camera-that-is-insecure-because-you-haven't-changed-the-default-password-have-you to prevent doorstep thieves from stealing your toilet paper, but they will deliver.) (So, by the way, will Save-On.) Travel is going to be a problem, and stocks may be a problem, and there may be lots of other problems. But toilet paper is not going to be a problem. Unless people hoard it.

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

dcontesti — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 09:11:11 GMT

Ah but who says Amazon will be able to source the toilet paper .

All joking aside, we know so little about this virus and the fear is real. I don't feel that the governments (MHOO) are really not being honest about what is happening. (I am lumping both Trump and Trudeau in here). I worry that there is constant deflection and contradiction with what WHO is saying. People are beginning to panic.

I live in Ontario and we have fairly decent drinking water, yet when in the store yesterday, I witnessed people filling their carts with cases of bottled water to the point the store put a 4 case limit on the purchase. I then saw the same people buy four, exit the store come back buy 4 more and repeat that again......silliness (probably not in their minds)...

I also saw folks stocking up on paper towels and toilet paper (and there weren't sales on it).

Folks should always have an emergency kit ready but much like security breaches/events they seem to be forgotten until something happens.

Okay, getting off my soap box, going to the store to buy water and toilet paper (I think I can squeeze one or two more packages into the closet).....

Regards

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

rslade — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 18:27:42 GMT

My barber is quite the BS artist, so when he told me about $80 bottles of hand sanitizer I didn't believe him. Turns out he was (almost) right.

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

rslade — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 18:48:57 GMT

Apoocalypse now.

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

dcontesti — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 18:51:12 GMT

LMAO

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

rslade — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 18:59:43 GMT

Jim Bakker is selling coronavirus snake oil. (Well, silver oil, I guess ...)

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

dcontesti — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 19:13:03 GMT

Rob,

Just when you think it is safe NOT to buy extra toilet paper, this happens:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/paper-excellence-canada-malware-infection-1.5474274

😉

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

rslade — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 19:41:30 GMT

> dcontesti (Community Champion) posted a new reply in Industry News on 03-07-2020

> Just when you think it is safe NOT to buy extra toilet paper, this happens:
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/paper-excellence-canada-malware-
> infection-1.5474274

OK, so this means that everyone who has stockpiled toilet paper should safely
dispose of it because it may have been infected with a virus.

(The scary thing about making that joke is that I have to tell people that IT IS
JUST A JOKE and some people will still believe it and take it seriously ...)

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Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

rslade — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 22:59:01 GMT

Latest 2 cases in BC are at a care home a couple of blocks from me, so, if I suddenly stop posting ...

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

AppDefects — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 01:33:10 GMT

@rslade wrote:
> dcontesti (Community Champion) posted a new reply in Industry News on 03-07-2020

> Just when you think it is safe NOT to buy extra toilet paper, this happens:
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/paper-excellence-canada-malware-
> infection-1.5474274

Goes to show you the weaknesses in the supply chain.

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

denbesten — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 18:04:49 GMT

So, what happens to the surplus toilet paper in the summer, after normal life resumes? Will there be an outbreak of TP trees?

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

dcontesti — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 18:55:44 GMT

@denbesten wrote:
So, what happens to the surplus toilet paper in the summer, after normal life resumes? Will there be an outbreak of TP trees?

LMAO thanks we needed that one.

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

rslade — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:54:53 GMT

> denbesten (Community Champion) posted a new reply in Industry News on 03-08-2020

> what happens to the surplus toilet paper in the summer, after normal life
> resumes? Will there be an outbreak of TP trees?

Toilet paper, if kept properly, has an expiry date of 937164 weeks and two days.
Store in a cool, dark place. Toilet paper rolls will not breed if kept away from
wild trees. Every few months, check for evidence of dust bunnies: if found,
remove the dust bunnies with tweezers and store in separate cages according to
nationality.

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Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

denbesten — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:05:33 GMT

We need more articles like these:

Man who bought $10,000 worth of toilet paper and hand sanitizer denied refund.

Brothers who hoarded 17,700 bottles of hand sanitizer forced to donate to charity

Costco will not allow returns on high-demand items like toilet paper, water and more

Helps spread the message that get-rich-quick schemes often quickly turn into get-poor-schemes.

Meanwhile, my local big-box store still does not have TP available for online ordering. When I searched today, "Baking Paper" (parchment) was suggested as an alternative. Not the same thing. Not at all.

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

dcontesti — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:58:04 GMT

OUCH

Sorry.

Re: COVID-19, toilet paper, hoarding, and emergency preparedness

Beads — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 14:55:39 GMT

Anecdotally, I am hearing stories of more localized shortages. Usually in places more rural, outside of large cities that still suffer from acute shortages. Put it this way when your rural grocery store suddenly starts seeing multiple high end sports cars and "suburban utility vehicles aka Range Rover and Porsche Caymans) in the parking lot. Well, you can guess they ain't your local Amish farmers. Yes, I grew up amidst an Amish farming community, have family in those areas but not allowed down to the co-op to pick up my seed corn or hay seed due to the states local lockdown policy. Hope no one has a barn collapse or need help with a chicken coop, cause we can't help our farming nieghbors. We often help with birthing heifers and problem foals this time a year as well. Good luck, neighbors. I would if I could but can't.

We see the same thing here at our local groceries as well but easier identified by the up to date City of Chicago parking permits overflowing with "supplies". In case your confused. I have ties and live in two differing states.

- b/eads