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US nationwide, privately owned biometrics system

rslade — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:30:15 GMT

Sorry, but Americans are weird.

If the US government were to start to implement a nationwide biometrics system, citizens would be in the streets with torches and pitchforks.

But a private company? Better yet, two private companies? With no regulations on how they might sell or use this data? With no regulations about how they might store and protect this data? (And remember, biometrics are the ultimate static password.)

That's just fine ...

Re: US nationwide, privately owned biometrics system

CraginS — Wed, 07 Nov 2018 13:07:52 GMT

Seems to be another example of tech-focused profit-driven decisions "because we can" without any reasonable consideration of "whether we should."

This sad condition is clearly not limited to Americans. I note recent news items of companies building and selling sex-dolls configured to look like real, live people, without notifying or getting permission of the "models," as well as the skeevier line of such dolls looking like children.

Heck, even the burgeoning range of privacy intrusion evidenced at Facebook fits into the same "because we can" schema.

Re: US nationwide, privately owned biometrics system

CISOScott — Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:58:07 GMT

To further add to the problem, wouldn't DNA be the ultimate biometric? Sure it's a bit messy, swab your mouth or deposit a drop of blood from your finger and insert the swab into the slot.....Supposedly no one else in the world has your DNA, well except for the companies that you PAY to send it in to......

Re: US nationwide, privately owned biometrics system

CraginS — Wed, 07 Nov 2018 23:55:49 GMT

@CISOScott wrote:
To further add to the problem, wouldn't DNA be the ultimate biometric? Sure it's a bit messy, swab your mouth or deposit a drop of blood from your finger and insert the swab into the slot.....Supposedly no one else in the world has your DNA, well except for the companies that you PAY to send it in to......

Not really.

DNA identification is a matter of complete laboratory analysis of the DNA. Familial linking, somewhat different from DNA identification, uses selected alleles of the analyzed DNA samples. Biometrics, on the other hand, depend on algorithmic summaries of defined measurements with a specified set and minimum number of data points derived from the biological observation. This is true whether using fingerprints, facial recognition, walking gait analysis, voice analysis, iris or pupil analysis, or any other that may be in use. In all of those cases, the algorithms define what measurements to take, such as pupil-to-pupil distance in facial recognition, how many of the measurements are needed (usually configuration), and range of allowable error in the matching of each measurement.

On a lighter note, consider the image of a user spitting on a computer or lock to obtain access based on a (today non-existent) rapid DNA analysis.

Re: US nationwide, privately owned biometrics system

Shannon — Thu, 08 Nov 2018 00:33:42 GMT

@CraginS wrote:

On a lighter note, consider the image of a user spitting on a computer or lock to obtain access based on a (today non-existent) rapid DNA analysis.

There's Invasive and Non-invasive, but this would deserve its own category --- Repulsive.

Re: US nationwide, privately owned biometrics system

DAlexander — Thu, 08 Nov 2018 08:22:11 GMT

@CraginS, your lighter note invokes memories of a not-to-be-named customer base I used to work IT for who I likened to chimpanzees banging on their keyboards and licking their monitors.

I know I'm not alone on this one...

Re: US nationwide, privately owned biometrics system

denbesten — Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:58:54 GMT

I think of biometrics as more of an identifier than an authenticator.