topic CCSP Endorsement in Exams

CCSP Endorsement

PaulNewton — Tue, 30 May 2023 18:21:05 GMT

Passed CCSP today. I seem to recall something about being able self-endorse since I have a CISSP already. Is this the case or do I need to get another person to endorse my experience...again?

Re: CCSP Endorsement

Steve-Wilme — Wed, 31 May 2023 06:53:33 GMT

If it works like the CISSP concentrations there's no further endorsement needed if you already hold the CISSP.

Re: CCSP Endorsement

Marylerman — Wed, 31 May 2023 09:46:20 GMT

I would like to recommend that no need to endorse because you have already done CISSP.

Re: CCSP Endorsement

denbesten — Wed, 31 May 2023 13:42:44 GMT

It is better to refer to the relevant FAQ, rather than speculating.... Endorsement is required.

In answer to @PaulNewton's question, the endorsement must come from a CCSP, not a CISSP, so self-endorsement is not possible.

Q:
Do I need to have an endorser for the CCSP if I already hold the CISSP?

A:
Yes. Your CISSP certification will waive the experience requirements, but you must still be endorsed by a member in good standing for the CCSP certification. (ISC)² can act as your endorser if needed. [cite]

Re: CCSP Endorsement

PaulNewton — Wed, 31 May 2023 13:49:54 GMT

ah okay, I'm tracking now. Thank you for the clarification.

Re: CCSP Endorsement

JKWiniger — Wed, 31 May 2023 14:10:07 GMT

For the record, because I got my CCSP a few years ago. You do need an endorsement but if you have a CISSP the ISC2 will endorse you. It might sound like an odd work around but basically if you were already endorsed for the CISSP they have you covered...

John-

Re: CCSP Endorsement

denbesten — Wed, 31 May 2023 15:32:32 GMT

@AndreaMoore please forward to the appropriate party within (ISC)².

The FAQ (https://www.isc2.org/Frequently-Asked-Questions) has two seemingly contradictory answers. The first (below) implies that a CISSP can endorse a CCSP, which also aligns with the Apply for Certification instructions.

The second one, however directly states that it must be a CCSP that endorses a CCSP. If the CCSP is truly unique in this way, it ought to be clearly called out on the "Apply for Certification" page; if not, the FAQ needs an update.

It might also be helpful to explicitly include in the FAQ if and under what conditions a member-in-good-standing is permitted to self-endorse. This comes up frequently.

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Can I be related to, or married to, my endorser?

Yes, any member in good standing with any (ISC)² certification at the current time can endorse a candidate for any certification.

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Do I need to have an endorser for the CCSP if I already hold the CISSP?

Yes. Your CISSP certification will waive the experience requirements, but you must still be endorsed by a member in good standing for the CCSP certification. (ISC)² can act as your endorser if needed.

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From the Apply for Certification instructions:

.... you will be required to provide an endorser – another (ISC)²-certified professional in good standing – who can attest to your experience. If you do not know another (ISC)²-certified professional, you can opt for (ISC)² to endorse you.

EDIT: rereading, it appears that much of this confusion may come from ambiguous wording. The second answer can be interpreted in two ways:

(you must still be endorsed by a member in good standing) for the CCSP certification
you must still be endorsed by a (member in good standing for the CCSP certification)

Re: CCSP Endorsement

Kaity — Wed, 31 May 2023 16:48:19 GMT

Thanks for all the input, everyone! We'll review the FAQ page and see if changes need to be made to the language.

To clarify, the experience requirements and the endorsement by another certified member are two pieces of the process. Both are required for all (ISC)² certifications, except for the CC which doesn't require either.

Re: CCSP Endorsement

SalPortaro — Fri, 02 Jun 2023 20:54:52 GMT

I agree that they need an endorsement. I do not think the endorsee must be a CCSP. I think any ISC2 cert holder in good standing should be able to endorse.

Re: CCSP Endorsement

denbesten — Sat, 03 Jun 2023 04:18:34 GMT

@SalPortaro wrote:
I do not think the endorsee must be a CCSP. I think any ISC2 cert holder in good standing should be able to endorse.

I too suspect that is the case, but official FAQ can be read that it must be a CCSP -- especially due the lack of a comma before the "for". Until the ambiguity is resolved, the least-risk action is to have either (ISC)² or a CCSP endorse because it does not introduce the potential for self-dealing accusations.

The original question was if PaulNewman can endorse himself since he is a currently a CISSP holder and presumably in good standing. The FAQ is silent on that, although it does explicitly allow what one might consider nepotism, implying that conflicts of interest is not a concern and therefore that self-endorsement may well be OK. But once again that is not the least-risk approach.

When it comes to rules like this, I don't like hearsay or individual interpretation of the rules. Instead, I prefer the rules be clear and unambiguous, so there is no question about which side of the ethics one is landing on. Hence my earlier suggestion that the FAQ verbiage be clarified.

Re: CCSP Endorsement

AndreaMoore — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:07:34 GMT

@PaulNewton

(1) If one holds the CISSP, work requirement is already met for the CCSP. However, you must fill out a quick endorsement application (no need to include work history) and ISC2 will act as the endorser automatically. There is no option to select an endorser.

(2) If someone is going for CCSP without having CISSP, any member in good standing holding a certification with equal level of work experience can act as the endorser, regardless of certification they hold.

Re: CCSP Endorsement

PaulNewton — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:42:03 GMT

Hello and Good Day - thank you very much for this info. I proceeded as directed with ISC2 as the endorser, then uploaded my CISSP cert. Worked like a charm. However, upon reaching the work experience section it halts with the following:

"A job history record must be created for each job you wish to claim towards the credential work experience requirements"

Obviously not a big deal, I will enter the data there. Just want to share with you that the fields do not auto-populate.

Thank you again

Cheers,

Paul