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    <title>topic Advice to a young security professional in Career Discussions</title>
    <link>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Career-Discussions/Advice-to-a-young-security-professional/m-p/19968#M1879</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I have met the person that sent this tweet at BSides San Antonio last year and I give him advice from time to time.&amp;nbsp; The thread of replies are really well thought out and it is a very nice discussion.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;A href="https://twitter.com/the_warboy_nux/status/1104166992783831042" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;https://twitter.com/the_warboy_nux/status/1104166992783831042&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Many of us have decades of experience in systems and security.&amp;nbsp; I know the CISSP is not only for managers because I am not a manager. My work focuses on&amp;nbsp;security engineering and I&amp;nbsp;have no direct reports.&amp;nbsp; Below is the reply I sent to him via Direct Message.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Reply.......&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I have reinvented my job about 5 times in 25 years.&amp;nbsp; During that time I have used certifications in two ways.&amp;nbsp; 1. As validation that I learned a topic well enough to pass the test.&amp;nbsp; 2. To prepare for the jump to the next job.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I am a VP at a bank but I am not management.&amp;nbsp; I have no employees that report to me.&amp;nbsp; I focus on security engineering so it is a technical job, not management.&amp;nbsp; That being said, I love my job and find it fascinating everyday.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Just because you have a CISSP does not automatically put you in line for management.&amp;nbsp; The study and passing of the CISSP helped me discuss security using a common vocabulary that anyone can understand.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Many people I have known have had interesting jobs.&amp;nbsp; I know a person that has a PhD in Nuclear Science and worked at Oak Ridge Labs for 14 years.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;They never enjoyed their job and their favorite day was payday.&amp;nbsp; One would think they would have considered the work an education that like would do before spending almost 2 decades working towards and in an unloved job.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;When I studied and passed the CISSP my coworkers noticed that my mindset and vocabulary on security changed.&amp;nbsp; I now could present a security topic to executives without talking about configurations and products.&amp;nbsp; I could put it in terms that they understand.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;In short, if you can take and pass the CISSP, you should.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;You have a degree and I do not.&amp;nbsp; I continue to get overlooked for positions and by hiring managers because I do not have a degree.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;At a minimum a maintained CISSP checks a box for hiring managers and that will make more likely to get the interview and the job you change to in the future.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;...................&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;One thing is certain when working with information systems, change.&amp;nbsp; Make sure you are ready&amp;nbsp;when it happens.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Follow up.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;In the end, they will be working to pass certifications that they are excited about but it does not include the CISSP.&amp;nbsp; They do current hold an (ISC)2 SSCP.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Paul&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:22:34 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Radioteacher</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-03-11T15:22:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Advice to a young security professional</title>
      <link>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Career-Discussions/Advice-to-a-young-security-professional/m-p/19968#M1879</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I have met the person that sent this tweet at BSides San Antonio last year and I give him advice from time to time.&amp;nbsp; The thread of replies are really well thought out and it is a very nice discussion.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;A href="https://twitter.com/the_warboy_nux/status/1104166992783831042" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;https://twitter.com/the_warboy_nux/status/1104166992783831042&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Many of us have decades of experience in systems and security.&amp;nbsp; I know the CISSP is not only for managers because I am not a manager. My work focuses on&amp;nbsp;security engineering and I&amp;nbsp;have no direct reports.&amp;nbsp; Below is the reply I sent to him via Direct Message.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Reply.......&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I have reinvented my job about 5 times in 25 years.&amp;nbsp; During that time I have used certifications in two ways.&amp;nbsp; 1. As validation that I learned a topic well enough to pass the test.&amp;nbsp; 2. To prepare for the jump to the next job.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I am a VP at a bank but I am not management.&amp;nbsp; I have no employees that report to me.&amp;nbsp; I focus on security engineering so it is a technical job, not management.&amp;nbsp; That being said, I love my job and find it fascinating everyday.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Just because you have a CISSP does not automatically put you in line for management.&amp;nbsp; The study and passing of the CISSP helped me discuss security using a common vocabulary that anyone can understand.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Many people I have known have had interesting jobs.&amp;nbsp; I know a person that has a PhD in Nuclear Science and worked at Oak Ridge Labs for 14 years.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;They never enjoyed their job and their favorite day was payday.&amp;nbsp; One would think they would have considered the work an education that like would do before spending almost 2 decades working towards and in an unloved job.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;When I studied and passed the CISSP my coworkers noticed that my mindset and vocabulary on security changed.&amp;nbsp; I now could present a security topic to executives without talking about configurations and products.&amp;nbsp; I could put it in terms that they understand.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;In short, if you can take and pass the CISSP, you should.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;You have a degree and I do not.&amp;nbsp; I continue to get overlooked for positions and by hiring managers because I do not have a degree.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;At a minimum a maintained CISSP checks a box for hiring managers and that will make more likely to get the interview and the job you change to in the future.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;...................&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;One thing is certain when working with information systems, change.&amp;nbsp; Make sure you are ready&amp;nbsp;when it happens.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Follow up.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;In the end, they will be working to pass certifications that they are excited about but it does not include the CISSP.&amp;nbsp; They do current hold an (ISC)2 SSCP.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Paul&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:22:34 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Radioteacher</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-03-11T15:22:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Advice to a young security professional</title>
      <link>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Career-Discussions/Advice-to-a-young-security-professional/m-p/19998#M1881</link>
      <description>&amp;gt; Radioteacher (Contributor I) posted a new topic in Career on 03-10-2019 11:34 AM&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; I have reinvented my job about 5&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; times in 25 years.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Sounds about right ...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp; One thing is&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; certain when working with information systems, change.&amp;nbsp; Make sure you are&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; ready&amp;nbsp;when it happens.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Yeah, taking the CISSP is a pretty good preparation for change. As long as you&lt;BR /&gt;keep up ...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)&lt;BR /&gt;rslade@vcn.bc.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca rslade@computercrime.org&lt;BR /&gt;Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. Some can avoid&lt;BR /&gt;it. Geniuses remove it. - Alan Perlis&lt;BR /&gt;victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm &lt;A href="http://twitter.com/rslade" target="_blank"&gt;http://twitter.com/rslade&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/" target="_blank"&gt;http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://is.gd/RotlWB" target="_blank"&gt;https://is.gd/RotlWB&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:18:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.isc2.org/t5/Career-Discussions/Advice-to-a-young-security-professional/m-p/19998#M1881</guid>
      <dc:creator>rslade</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-03-11T18:18:53Z</dc:date>
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